Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]:52395) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN1sF-0007X6-6A; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:31:03 -0800 Received: by ggnr4 with SMTP id r4sf5371413ggn.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=Li4BmwVLg7toM1Y6ohH2FWmZcvXvAx9FOUwMafcMEME=; b=foNFEDSMgs6/YfHvBb8a9zhdENsalmTuvLNLXrfzarD14Mdc+YWJ/4UkRy7RClPhec hTZLmuoehHh2mJVLF+REpmupSlzN34ZJJVqV7uvcEBaV/i1jvDHBwyTFhK2I4/cxYuuT HB3Upq/z1cLggE5oYUggK90R/nOAstWX4E+PU= Received: by 10.236.201.226 with SMTP id b62mr6134351yho.10.1320582646432; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.208.32 with SMTP id k32ls10224033anq.5.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr4731010yhk.4.1320582645792; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.156.98 with SMTP id l62mr4731008yhk.4.1320582645743; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5si12419949pbe.1.2011.11.06.04.30.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:45 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN1s4-0007X3-Lk for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:30:44 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:30:44 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: "help" Message-ID: <20111106123043.GH21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111106054303.GT8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111060536.48008.phma@phma.optus.nu> <589C646F-4710-497E-9D18-832E9F2DF8F2@switchb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <589C646F-4710-497E-9D18-832E9F2DF8F2@switchb.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 07:11:22AM -0500, Kevin Reid wrote: [other useful things snipped] > > For language acquisition, shouldn't we prefer sentences with > "simple words" over ones with lujvo, when the lujvo are there for > a "variant" meaning rather than one that's fundamentally not a > gismu? I'me very much in favour of that. I would perhaps say {tsali banro} or {tsali binxo} rather than rely on tense ambiguity ({ba tsali} is fine too), but if I can say it without lujvo, I will. I'm trying to avoid nesting, as well. I mean, sometimes I just throw out a string of fully formed Lojban, but that's what I'd do in English as well; "Who's an amazing girl? You are! Yes you are!" said slow and parentese, followed by fast parentese saying "Who's going to marry some rich oil magnate and support me in my old age with a house and 3 cars and a big screen TV? You are! Yes you are!". I enjoy that sort of over the top silliness to break up all the language acquisition crap, and I doubt it'll do them any harm. :) -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.