Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:54864) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN1z0-0007YX-Vs; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:38:02 -0800 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf4918537gyg.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:37:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:subject:from:to:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VN4s/DUJbZvPnpKGXQf4imbbc9KrW4I0nlluQKq2Rt4=; b=JwNjse3DvGHuVT/iM7votDbsb9KPP6AXmSBg33zMQCSNowlDX9fD+tdSWKGIv2LVAs xVnsKMdtt23xmdmmYhv5ruTR4Ea8CCegPvhJoD3pavVPEHVEn3e1hgLq8XmlRIXEms1m Iuj/QrmZ4bjiC61fAWqP+oUiLgdB+APXbmhTw= Received: by 10.236.144.132 with SMTP id n4mr4729752yhj.14.1320583066042; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:37:46 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.208.32 with SMTP id k32ls10238016anq.5.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.190.68 with SMTP id d44mr33011711yhn.1.1320583065235; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.190.68 with SMTP id d44mr33011710yhn.1.1320583065223; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:37:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from fagricipni.com (fagricipni.com. [69.5.18.101]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id f1si2948171yba.3.2011.11.06.04.37.44; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com designates 69.5.18.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=69.5.18.101; Received: (qmail 18408 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2011 12:37:44 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.58.190.131] Subject: [lojban] How to Say "is made of"? From: "H. Felton" To: lojban Group Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:37:39 -0500 Message-ID: <1320583059.2268.1.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Original-Sender: lojban707@fagricipni.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com designates 69.5.18.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban707@fagricipni.com; domainkeys=pass header.From=lojban707@fagricipni.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / I know that the CLL uses "living things are made of cells" as an *example* of the use of "zi'o" -- "loi jimve cu se zabsu zi'o loi selci" --; nevertheless, there must be a better way of expressing the "made of" relationship. My thought-of sentence was "ordinary matter is made of atoms" (On an incidental note, I decided that I needed to use "slabu" for this use of "ordinary".); I ended up with "lo slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni". As far as the original "loi jimve cu se zabsu zi'o loi selci", I can see no reason post-xorlo that "lo" wouldn't work just as well as "loi"; ie, "lo jimve cu se zabsu zi'o lo selci". Then with my choice for "is made of": "lo jimve cu gunma lo selci". I'm not so sure about the choice of "lo" vs "loi" as I am that there _should be_ a better expression for "is made of" than having to use "zabsu" with the maker place blocked up with "zo'i"; the concept of "is made of" is just too common. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.