Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:61462) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN5OU-0002aI-DV; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:31 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf3971487bka.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=P/txCS8a2cqzmW/Ys8kEDcrUdBnVv/5Vv4cvPSOFSiI=; b=v1TSU1AjO9XHGfyeym28v4f2CalQrT++CzPvBWiQYNeiX2D0kzVwNFIziis79pK/s7 Ve/SnXb4QzeTMwphwrczY1PSNyfhdcZZ5gNg46+8YcEGOPXyQLzPqKzEGAC71Sk34101 oWfFVL8hm1s40/DdoSWNvKAjK/a4hSS8Xezvo= Received: by 10.205.130.136 with SMTP id hm8mr46031bkc.29.1320596175859; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.152.154 with SMTP id g26ls10835947bkw.3.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.140.198 with SMTP id j6mr2675086bku.8.1320596174456; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.140.198 with SMTP id j6mr2675085bku.8.1320596174443; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f1si8470787fae.1.2011.11.06.08.16.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by faat2 with SMTP id t2so2214558faa.20 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.106.130 with SMTP id gu2mr4739139lab.37.1320596174276; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:16:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320585372.5586.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20111104233756.GB24058@gonzales> <4EB4A123.7030305@gmail.com> <20111105061247.GE24058@gonzales> <4EB526B7.7070008@gmail.com> <20111105172216.GI24058@gonzales> <20111105201536.GB835@gonzales> <20111105233402.GA2831@gonzales> <20111106033146.GC2831@gonzales> <1320585372.5586.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:16:14 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:16 AM, John E Clifford wro= te: > Somebody (the layered responses without summaries makes it difficult to > figure out who is advocating what) holds that, in a given conversation, = =A0{cinfo} > (for example) may mean any of at least: Lion, lions, lion, lion segments > (temporally defined), lion kinds, lionness. I think everybody is in agremment that "lo ka cinfo na cinfo" (and also that "lo'i cinfo na cinfo", although you don't mention that one). On the other hand, I am in favor of redefining some predicates that explicitly call for "lo ka cinfo" or for "lo'i cinfo" for some of their arguments in such a way that they should call for "lo cinfo" instead. But that's a redefinition of the predicate, not an implication that "lo ka cinfo cu cinfo" or that "lo'i cinfo cu cinfo". mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.