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Martin Bays, On 06/11/2011 15:10:
> * Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 05:16 -0800 - John E Clifford<kali9putra@yahoo.co=
m>:
>
>> Le'see.  I think I understand what is going on here.  Let me say it out =
for
>> corrections and then I can get on (though I will comment on this underst=
anding
>> now).
>
> Let me summarise from my own (entirely neutral, natch) perspective.
>
> And and xorxes are indeed putting forward their SAE-denying metaphysics.

I think that "SAE-denying is a misnomer". Ready-Madeism corresponds to trad=
itional Western logic, but not to anything in the languages. I admit I have=
 never read Whorf on SAE, but I would like more evidence (chapter and verse=
, or quotes, or google books urls) before accepting that Whorf describes Re=
ady-Madeism as SAE.

If anything, you could say that Blobularism is SAE or SAW (Standard Average=
 World, because this sort of semantic feature is far more likely to be a la=
nguage universal than a sprachbund feature), since it is arrived at not apr=
ioristically like Ready-Made is, but rather is arrived at by induction from=
 natural language semantics.

> I was pointing out that one consequence of such a metaphysics is the
> presence of effective ambiguities in quantifier scope, much like those
> in english. They seem to think that this isn't a problem, because they
> are only *effective* ambiguities.

Also, the quasiambiguities are ineluctable and arise not from the language =
but from the world it describes.
 =20
--And.

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