Please lin= k to old threads if this has already come up before. (as I suspect it has)<= /div>

So, the issue is that sometimes, the restrictions = on what types of sumti can go in a place are obnoxious and seem unnecessary= . Rather than argue a ton that they are unnecessary, I'd rather= hear some arguments for their utility so that I know what the heck is goin= g on. I mean, a lot of the {ka} restrictions make sense, but many {nu} rest= rictions seem bulky. In particular:

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/zunti
<= /div>

If I ask you for the distinction between {zunti} a= nd {dicra}, it would be conceptual -- {dicra} actually stops x=E2=82=82, wh= ile {zunti} feels more like a sort of {troci lo nu dicra}.

Howeve= r, the place structure restrictions don't line up -- d=E2=82=82 says it can= be an object! I'm a huge fan of symmetry, and I find it rather awkward for= there to be a restriction on one of these that isn't on the other. So, wha= t's the reason for this split? Is it an accident? Regardless, why stop ther= e? What is the harm in allowing there to be an object in the x=E2=82=81 wit= h the implication that there is some {lo nu zunti} for which x=E2=82=81 is = {lo gasnu}. More formally, why not make the definition for zunti be somethi= ng like:

x=E2=82=81 interferes with/hinders/disrupts x=E2=82=82 d= ue to quality x=E2=82=83

with notations of:

an object {= fa da} assumes {da gasnu}

an object {fe da} assumes {zunti tu'a d= a}

a quality (ka) {fi da} assumes {da mukti}

This may seem extremely wordy and confusing, but in my mind, this woul= d all be very straightforward in a lojban definition (with usage):

lo se smuni .i

troci lo nu dicra .ija

to'e sidju

[add more def'ns here?]

lo nu pilno .i ko'a = ko'e ko'i zunti .i

ko'a fasnu gi'e rinka .ija ko'a gasnu .i

ko'e fasnu .ija zunti tu'a ko'e .i

ko'i se ckaji gi'e mukti<= /div>

And, in my mind, it would be fairly uncomplicated = to leave sumti restrictions only on things like {ckaji} and {fasnu}.

<= div>

mu'o mi'e djos

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