Received: from mail-yw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.213.61]:52999) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN9DY-000483-7Y; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:31 -0800 Received: by ywa17 with SMTP id 17sf5978412ywa.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=SvK++xqRebkMVFEtpYoBeEh2fvnNZnMjGUPvOKHz0BY=; b=VljYCarFKnXCDu7wCQS+jn439oGJCa/YTf4+EZuq/kmzeSDzzjuoMGVq+TCgdUpFoW +hPytqVCeVwbfW3ubL1nlZUM4EJDpyrFAxvrTYSMFo9blCfpBgdqwUMULY7GnFE7T28D xiBVqYK7SfsYjUUTZVWqxRBtfpBDy83bpMCCA= Received: by 10.236.124.77 with SMTP id w53mr6303693yhh.11.1320610875250; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:15 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.237.8 with SMTP id k8ls10704431anh.2.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.185.197 with SMTP id u45mr34991260yhm.6.1320610874315; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.185.197 with SMTP id u45mr34991258yhm.6.1320610874304; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f50.google.com (mail-yw0-f50.google.com [209.85.213.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u30si3911375yhu.7.2011.11.06.12.21.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.50; Received: by ywa8 with SMTP id 8so5118754ywa.37 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.101.137.3 with SMTP id p3mr5173103ann.140.1320610874061; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm17281815ann.0.2011.11.06.12.21.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:21:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB6EC31.5080709@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:21:05 -0600 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110921 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Icky lujvo References: <20111106130432.GK21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4EB6D703.3050303@gmail.com> <201111061517.44428.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: <201111061517.44428.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On 11/06/2011 02:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 06 November 2011 13:50:43 vitci'i wrote: >> I suspect it's more precisely the presence of three consecutive consonants. > > where the first is a stop or fricative and the second is "m" (the other > syllabic consonants can't begin a rafsi). But that doesn't explain why I > prefer "tolcliva" to "tolyli'a". > > There is a word which has that form, except that the second consonant is > not "m" but another syllabic consonant: "visnda". Should it be changed > to "vi'unda"? > > Pierre I prefer tolcliva over tolyli'a, and vi'unda over visnda. I don't have a theory as to why. Perhaps "ol" feels like a consonantless vowel in my mouth. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.