Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]:42927) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN9Tl-0004HL-67; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:38:10 -0800 Received: by qan41 with SMTP id 41sf4666024qan.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:38:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:reply-to:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references :subject:mime-version:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=wddoyKJQIKMKYEmEu28qNfkyxiwkP9HlszdMFY4sLho=; b=xIA5SBt8u8iiXSN4pKq4eGr7BB/Nvv33//kMgxrMuxoDbB7DZgs4d7SH0xKsk+Gieb 1684fNXoR0JtcbTBbZ4yVIVB0IlROJIGvYtQqtst5cHNd8uRicNkQ1UiTTI1XQaSve9R wUpuNihn4pdNn2BQM10tsS5/XoJlbVnWMecBg= Received: by 10.224.105.199 with SMTP id u7mr294626qao.17.1320611880051; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:38:00 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.73.197 with SMTP id r5ls4942532qaj.4.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.52.81 with SMTP id h17mr4289773qag.0.1320611879512; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:37:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:37:59 -0800 (PST) From: djandus Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <15929484.1788.1320611879127.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqbl36> In-Reply-To: <201111061439.49262.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <12594199.557.1320597895175.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqni5> <4EB6BD58.8000105@gmail.com> <4875586.1227.1320601686280.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yqhd1> <201111061439.49262.phma@phma.optus.nu> Subject: Re: [lojban] And now for something completely different MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: jandew@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jandew@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jandew@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1787_12063533.1320611879125" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1787_12063533.1320611879125 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was what I had tried before {da pe do fenki}, but I thought that it=20 might be clearer the other way... Tell me if I'm thinking through any of=20 the following wrong. I've been thinking of {tu'a do} as "There's a specific abstraction=20 involving you that I have in mind, but it's really not worth the effort to= =20 express it." So, I would translate {tu'a do fenki} as=20 "some-abstraction-involving you is-crazy" On the other hand . . . I've been thinking of {da pe do} as "There is something that is associated= =20 with you, and it's not necessarily like ownership." So then, if the x=E2=82= =81=20 place of {fenki} is for actions/events, then it {da pe do} automatically=20 does what {tu'a do} does (says there's an abstraction involving you) as=20 well as saying the relationship is a loose association not necessarily like= =20 ownership. (as oppose to the space of any possible abstraction, which=20 usually are nothing like possession) So I figured you can get more quickly= =20 to the sorts of things I need to say, like "Your thoughts/actions are=20 crazy." which feels more like a loose possessive... mu'o mi'e djos --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/4HUTYUK6DW0J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_1787_12063533.1320611879125 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was what I had tried before {da pe do fenki}, but I thought that it mi= ght be clearer the other way... Tell me if I'm thinking through any of the = following wrong.

I've been thinking of {tu'a do} as "The= re's a specific abstraction involving you that I have in mind, but it's rea= lly not worth  the effort to express it." So, I would translate {tu'a = do fenki} as "some-abstraction-involving you is-crazy"

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On the other hand . . .

I've been thinking of= {da pe do} as "There is something that is associated with you, and it's no= t necessarily like ownership." So then, if the x=E2=82=81 place of {fenki} = is for actions/events, then it {da pe do} automatically does what {tu'a do}= does (says there's an abstraction involving you) as well as saying the rel= ationship is a loose association not necessarily like ownership. (as oppose= to the space of any possible abstraction, which usually are nothing like p= ossession) So I figured you can get more quickly to the sorts of things I n= eed to say, like "Your thoughts/actions are crazy." which feels more like a= loose possessive...

mu'o mi'e djos

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