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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable
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Am I to infer from this that Lion is actually lion and so exists in space time, 
rather than a kind, which exists in some intensional realm.  Or do you actually 
mean that Lion is just a bunch of lions looked at in one way as opposed to some 
other?




----- Original Message ----
From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 2:33:08 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural 
variable

John E Clifford, On 06/11/2011 17:21:
> I am only mildly surprised that you claim that lionness is not a possible
> meaning for {cinfo}, but the way that you state it fails to convince, since, 
in
> (lo ka cinof na cinfo} you have set up a context in which lioness is set up in
> opposition to whatever {cinfo} now means.  This does not preclude {lo cinfo},
> for example, referring to lionness in an appropriate situation.  If you hold
> that no situation could be appropriate for that meaning, then I wonder a bit
> about your commitment to blobularism or about what limits you have 
(unstatedly)
> placed on the blob.

In some ways, {lo cinfo} is to {lo ka ce'u cinfo} as {lo nu da cinfo} is to {lo 
du'u da cinfo}. The "lo" and "lo nu" exist in spacetime, and the "lo ka" and "lo 
du'u" don't. "lo'i ka" and "lo'i du'u" are singletons, and "lo'i (cinfo)" and 
"lo'i nu" aren't.

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