Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:61727) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RN9ad-0004M8-B2; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:22 -0800 Received: by wye20 with SMTP id 20sf8546954wye.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=pOt39/31JjVvKjAAQso6uwQS9eEHdy/l/3WKUQ7CuRc=; b=G9nJ9+qdi3fdIBaDDKqmv4xGQe+NwL0AAgdHClQLGCSgMsRQKzlVCi6Ad263w4ZHrH bjwO3ma/4YMC0/z39gyfHs7A0GOMO01NwK3OHLXk/zyYLDjFKJvdC9MLQS62aHMk/AlH OZpF6XUKgmuL4GgAwNl6AIOAFauP1HcPBXj3Y= Received: by 10.216.137.38 with SMTP id x38mr341277wei.33.1320612305074; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.200.140 with SMTP id ew12ls9424240wbb.3.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.204.12 with SMTP id fk12mr1664797wbb.0.1320612304287; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.204.12 with SMTP id fk12mr1664796wbb.0.1320612304270; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f54.google.com (mail-ww0-f54.google.com [74.125.82.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id es13si8757107wbb.3.2011.11.06.12.45.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.54; Received: by mail-ww0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 10so6329462wwf.35 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.208.77 with SMTP id gb13mr28977637wbb.4.1320612304126; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.84] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id gg13sm25149648wbb.8.2011.11.06.12.45.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB6F1CE.40204@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:45:02 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <20111104233756.GB24058@gonzales> <4EB4A123.7030305@gmail.com> <20111105061247.GE24058@gonzales> <4EB526B7.7070008@gmail.com> <20111105172216.GI24058@gonzales> <20111105201536.GB835@gonzales> <20111105233402.GA2831@gonzales> <20111106033146.GC2831@gonzales> <1320585372.5586.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320600072.82050.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320611296.51003.YahooMailRC@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320611296.51003.YahooMailRC@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / John E Clifford, On 06/11/2011 20:28: > I am more than a little surprised (in my natural state, not in reading yo= ur > stuff) to learn that Lion has claws and a skin and eats meat, it seems wi= ther to > amorphous or too abstract for any of these things. Its exemplars do thes= e > things of course, but not it, Nor, of course, does the cinfo which Lion = does > involve any of these things directly. So how are lionness and sets of li= ons > different? I think the confusion here is that you have assigned a meaning to the metal= inguistic term "Lion" on the basis of a Ready-Made view, and then -- and th= is is the mistake -- equate this with what "Lion" is on the basis of a Blob= ularist view. Read-Made Lion lacks skin (if you say it does), but Blobulari= st Lion does have skin and four legs, just as Barbie has blond hair and is = made of plastic. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.