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[87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b5sm25198931wbh.4.2011.11.06.12.57.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:57:11 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB6F4A6.80706@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:57:10 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <20111105061247.GE24058@gonzales> <4EB526B7.7070008@gmail.com> <20111105172216.GI24058@gonzales> <20111105201536.GB835@gonzales> <20111105233402.GA2831@gonzales> <20111106033146.GC2831@gonzales> <1320585372.5586.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111106151024.GA3071@gonzales> <4EB6C69A.4060201@gmail.com> <1320610085.59297.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320610085.59297.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / John E Clifford, On 06/11/2011 20:08: > But of course your positiion is not SAE denying but rather another SAE ca= se. > Ready Madeism, if I understand it, is no more a prioristic than Blobulari= sm; > both are induced from experiences and language learning It doesn't seem to me that Ready-Madeism is induced, or at least not on the= basis of anything more than the most cursory consideration of experience a= nd language; and instead it seems to be selected for its formalizability. I= don't know if that's an egregious misrepresentation of history. > -- by Western trained linguists and so come up as SAE again (ditto > for semantics of natural languages, which have historically been > built on [linguists' understanding of ] formal logic). If all contemporary linguists count as Western-trained. > It's all plugs and sockets and we just argue about what can be a plug. Is a predicate a body of sockets, into which arguments plug? If so, then I'= d argue that there's virtually nothing to say about plugs -- you need know = nothing about them but their identity, so that you can tell whether two soc= kets do or don't share the same plug. And the argument is about something e= lse. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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