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[87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fy21sm25229907wbb.5.2011.11.06.13.07.37 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:07:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB6F717.3030202@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:07:35 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <20111104233756.GB24058@gonzales> <4EB4A123.7030305@gmail.com> <20111105061247.GE24058@gonzales> <4EB526B7.7070008@gmail.com> <20111105172216.GI24058@gonzales> <20111105201536.GB835@gonzales> <20111105233402.GA2831@gonzales> <20111106033146.GC2831@gonzales> <1320585372.5586.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320600072.82050.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB6EF04.9070301@gmail.com> <1320612072.29074.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320612072.29074.YahooMailRC@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / John E Clifford, On 06/11/2011 20:41: > Am I to infer from this that Lion is actually lion and so exists in space= time, > rather than a kind, which exists in some intensional realm. Or do you ac= tually > mean that Lion is just a bunch of lions looked at in one way as opposed t= o some > other? Lion is actually lion and so exists in space time. But speakers may differ = on whether to describe something as (or on whether they perceive something = to be) Lion or a lion or a bunch of lions. I personally believe that language (in general, not just Lojban) deals only= in things that are in some intensional realm, but certain types of intensi= onal things have instances/tokens in spacetime. But all talk is about types= , not tokens. Lion is a type that does have tokens in spacetime, but lionho= od is a type that doesn't. Within the intensional realm, Lion is classified= among quadrupeds and things with skin and things with tokens in spacetime. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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