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From: John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable
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So, either the whole notion of having skin, etc. moves up and down with the 
notion of lion, or Lion is just a bunch of lions viewed in a certain way, 
namely, apparently, without differentiating among the members (ultimately 
disjunctively).  I'm perfectly happy to have Lion anything you want it to be 
(within limits, of course -- I don't thing it should be a Zodiac), but tell me 
what it is.  If it is not a bunch then it is an equivalence class, in which case 
why is the set of all lions excluded?  And, of course, this does involve sliding 
what "has a skin" means up and down along with {cinfo}.




----- Original Message ----
From: And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural 
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John E Clifford, On 06/11/2011 20:28:
> I am more than a little surprised (in my natural state, not in reading your
> stuff) to learn that Lion has claws and a skin and eats meat, it seems wither 
>to
> amorphous or too abstract for any of these things.  Its exemplars do these
> things of course, but not it,  Nor, of course, does the cinfo which Lion does
> involve any of these things directly.  So how are lionness and sets of lions
> different?

I think the confusion here is that you have assigned a meaning to the 
metalinguistic term "Lion" on the basis of a Ready-Made view, and then -- and 
this is the mistake -- equate this with what "Lion" is on the basis of a 
Blobularist view. Read-Made Lion lacks skin (if you say it does), but 
Blobularist Lion does have skin and four legs, just as Barbie has blond hair and 
is made of plastic.

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