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On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:
> * Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 18:58 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.=
com>:
>>
>> You could extend that method to all predicates. So instead of:
>>
>> =A0 lo prenu cu klama lo zarci lo zdani lo dargu lo karce
>>
>> you can say:
>>
>> =A0 lo prekla cu klama lo zacyselkla lo zdaterkla lo dagvelkla lo karcyx=
elkla
>
> Are you mocking me? zo'o

Only on the surface. :)

> There's no problem with prenu klamaing; there is a problem with ranmapku
> klesiing.

But maybe someone else does have a problem with prenu klamaing, this
method would solve it.

The difficulty arises when you want to apply the method to "lo prenu
cu klama gi'e tavla", or, in your case, to "lo ranmapku cu klesi lo
mapku gi'e cmamau lo bolmapku". How do I know whether "lo ranmaplei
ka'e cmalu"?

>> >> >> Why is beret - hat - garment artificial?
>> >> > But they're all on the same level, no?
>> >> As kinds? A beret is a kind of hat, and a hat is a kind of garment.
>> >
>> > I'm only seeing two levels there - one containing berets and hats, and
>> > one containing kinds of hat and kinds of garment.
>>
>> One level contains the garment, next level down the hat, next level
>> down the beret (and a fourth level I hadn't mentioned because it won't
>> enter into a klesi relationship contains some particular individual
>> beret.) So "klesi" relates two things from different levels.
>
> Oh, no, we're not using the same definition of 'level'.
>
> I was reserving that for the problematic case, where going up a level
> corresponding to passing from AE to EA. I believe this corresponds to
> (your version of) {mupli}.
>
> I meant to ask for a natural example where we go up two mupli-levels
> from mundanes.

lo vi ranmapku cu mupli lo ranmapku noi mupli lo mapku noi mupli lo taxfu

But I admit I became lost as to what we are after here.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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