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[87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em4sm16954600wbb.20.2011.11.06.16.59.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:59:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB72D57.5090503@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 00:59:03 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110920 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable References: <20111105061247.GE24058@gonzales> <4EB526B7.7070008@gmail.com> <20111105172216.GI24058@gonzales> <20111105201536.GB835@gonzales> <20111105233402.GA2831@gonzales> <20111106033146.GC2831@gonzales> <1320585372.5586.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111106151024.GA3071@gonzales> <4EB6C69A.4060201@gmail.com> <1320610085.59297.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB6F4A6.80706@gmail.com> <1320617987.41942.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <1320617987.41942.YahooMailRC@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-Original-Sender: and.rosta@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of and.rosta@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=and.rosta@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / John E Clifford, On 06/11/2011 22:19: > Readymadeism is just the "common sense" view of the world, induced > from every experience (so we are taught) in our lives and embedded deep i= n our > language. When linguists (barring the odd Vedic version) came along and > invented their science and its technology in English and German and Frenc= h (and > a bit in a few other essentially similar languages), that world view, if = you > will, got incorporated into the metatheory, I think both these sentences are completely contrary to the truth. I.e. rea= dy-madeism is not the commonsense view of the world, it is not induced from= experience, it is not embedded deep in our language, and it got incorporat= ed only into formal semantics that is based on logic and not into cognitive= semantics based on language. While talk of lions may (*perhaps*) relatively seldom call for a departure = from readymadeism, talking of Barbie or Monday or crimson or B-flat likely = more often does. --And. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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