Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:43365) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNJfr-00089S-1Q; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:29 -0800 Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36sf9618268iag.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mlC5vzhDyGkfouKOYNyQmS861CwoIh2WWTRcRuYae4c=; b=e6ScytagnPEr6HwQ+zIOAhL6xjpSanNZ/cx2E9PM2f8/Q2vKfeKwxwKOV9+3A355Qt PJzik9YmiXev4I3hGwVy59eT5cfC4MgOv7HXKXqImncHIstZps27207jcAT7E+3PcbD0 l4GcchzwnPgaS8kuLZ5ZHMpq2NL37aC7Y37KI= Received: by 10.182.14.9 with SMTP id l9mr488281obc.9.1320651070599; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.123.88 with SMTP id o24ls502523ibr.3.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.131.137 with SMTP id z9mr40014742ics.1.1320651069742; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.131.137 with SMTP id z9mr40014741ics.1.1320651069733; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l5si15295933pbe.2.2011.11.06.23.31.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNJfg-00089P-Hx for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:31:08 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:31:08 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, sort of: catlu vs. zgana Message-ID: <20111107073107.GI21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111106230135.GM21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 08:17:07PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:01 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > What's the difference here? =A0In particular, what does {catlu} > > actually mean? =A0Is it just like {zgana} but without a particular > > sense and conditions specified? >=20 > catlu =3D troci lo nu viska > zgana =3D troci lo nu ganse Wait, *what*? How the hell did {troci} get in there? Neither definition implies "attempts to" in any way at all. > > Which word is best for intent scrutiny? =A0How would you emphasize > > intent-ness there? >=20 > "Intent scrutiny" or "intense scrutiny"? http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/intent , adj, sense #1 > catlu/zgana both require intent. >=20 > I'm not sure what "intent scrutiny" means. I think "lanli" might > be better than catlu/zgana for "scrutinize". Ah! Thank you for that. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.