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On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 03:07:12PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:21:05PM -0600, vitci'i wrote:
> > On 11/06/2011 02:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > > On Sunday 06 November 2011 13:50:43 vitci'i wrote:
> > >> I suspect it's more precisely the presence of three consecutive
> > >> consonants.
> > > 
> > > where the first is a stop or fricative and the second is "m"
> > > (the other syllabic consonants can't begin a rafsi). But that
> > > doesn't explain why I prefer "tolcliva" to "tolyli'a".
> > > 
> > > There is a word which has that form, except that the second
> > > consonant is not "m" but another syllabic consonant: "visnda".
> > > Should it be changed to "vi'unda"?
> > > 
> > > Pierre
> > 
> > I prefer tolcliva over tolyli'a, and vi'unda over visnda. I don't
> > have a theory as to why. Perhaps "ol" feels like a consonantless
> > vowel in my mouth.
> 
> I prefer tolcliva and visnada.  I've got nothin'.  :)

I misread visnda.  I prefer tolcliva and vi'unda as well.  I find
visnda icky in the same way as citmle.

I think the issue is that for {tolcliva}, it's {tol} {cli} {va}, all
of which are easy.  For {visnda}, it's {vis} {n} {da}, and
similarily {cit} {m} {le}.  It's really the syllablic bits I find
annoying, I guess?

-Robin

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