Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:57057) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNJzc-0008H4-B8; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:51:51 -0800 Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36sf9652787iag.16 for ; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:51:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mQHdK86cIsKqH0Oyp6h38XGBemJXCGoDEDKQy6SpgtI=; b=DXXM3lB8hVUk6J1MJvCO4z8rhiXbWcGrOmAvPvEHpRk19cp90eZy6TgSbuMUCshuq6 exiIhbX9ReR1OnwEK7rb/Ll78Z2w9PxM1+oVLEpSbXfLglN2Fi64jfSWDmpsC60hgEJI bnqbo25qilbxX+8+a1J2xjBGGhpgdrZOySnHI= Received: by 10.50.184.233 with SMTP id ex9mr2783970igc.16.1320651992942; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:46:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.63.137 with SMTP id b9ls14008399ibi.0.gmail; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.135 with SMTP id h7mr39862112ict.4.1320651992077; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.42.133.135 with SMTP id h7mr39862109ict.4.1320651992068; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5si15345701pbe.1.2011.11.06.23.46.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:46:32 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNJuZ-0008FC-1N for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:46:31 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:46:31 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] babies: "you might as well sleep" Message-ID: <20111107074630.GK21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111104115329.GG30208@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111105124409.GP8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111106053616.GR8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 10:50:19AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 2:36 AM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > Huh. =A0That's not what I think {.ei} means at all. =A0I read that > > as "I, the speaker, am feeling obligated/constrained about > > something having to do with nothing preventing you from > > sleeping". =A0I don't get your use there at all. >=20 > What do you use for my sense "I feel it ought to be the case that > ..."? I don't know of a UI that covers that. It is *certainly* not {.ei}. > Notice that my sense covers yours, all I need is to have "mi" as > the agent of whatever I feel ought to be the case. As I've said elsewhere, I don't think that's how UI work; they're for the raw emotional expression of the single individual speaker only. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.