Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:59238) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNLza-0000c9-CM; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 02:00:00 -0800 Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29sf4875656qyk.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=iHFOwCJrj6DJoc4gwvclL6tEtXSHv3Fwlf4ZjmaOza8=; b=YfkxlU3Q3BU6G+DKJJUwMx5QACkSx7kvcGeeiuQz9pNm5mr6PdK9m5FdD6p9arSASE vgFp2MUyZjq0lemYEvO9Q8B+JI27NHV9P0MycV0n46qwlj2IRbExFsVC4fEW+RZIzk6a UuD6VuRhmSlHhTcWVKCc8dhSvfDYM2KImSrA0= Received: by 10.229.69.135 with SMTP id z7mr479560qci.6.1320659981423; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.206.2 with SMTP id i2ls11439837anq.1.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.185.197 with SMTP id u45mr37701992yhm.6.1320659979300; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.185.197 with SMTP id u45mr37701991yhm.6.1320659979292; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3si103660pbd.0.2011.11.07.01.59.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNLzO-0000c3-6q for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 01:59:38 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 01:59:38 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words: "help" Message-ID: <20111107095937.GP21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111106054303.GT8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111060536.48008.phma@phma.optus.nu> <589C646F-4710-497E-9D18-832E9F2DF8F2@switchb.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 11:18:10AM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Kevin Reid > wrote: > > > > For language acquisition, shouldn't we prefer sentences with > > "simple words" over ones with lujvo, when the lujvo are there > > for a "variant" meaning rather than one that's fundamentally not > > a gismu? >=20 > If you want the acquirer to acquire the full morphology, you need > to use a good sample of lujvo, fu'ivla and cmevla too. I > understand infants acquire the phonological rules of a language > before they acquire any significant vocabulary, so hearing full > blown "grown up" speech is important for them too. Quite, which is why I throw out strings of full-form Lojban every once in a while. If people want to skype or whatever and have me hold the babies nearby so they can hear it, that's fine too. :) -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.