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From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby word: "cry"
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On Wed, Nov 02, 2011 at 04:15:54PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier, President
and Founder - LLG wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >We only have klaku, which requires tears.  I don't normally
> >produce tears when I cry, and the babies can cry for hours
> >without producing any at all.
> >
> >I've been using {dunku krixa} for the babies, but I myself
> >frequently cry (as in, my internal physiological experience is
> >that of crying) without sound or tears.
> 
> dunku alone would be sufficient to describe your "internal
> physiological experience that does not involve making a sound".

(this no longer relates to the original question)

I thought about this some more, and it's entirely possible for me to
cry because I'm emotionally overwhelmed in ways that aren't anguish,
i.e. crying from happiness.  The internal experience is the same,
there is often weeping noises, and sometimes there are even tears.
So it's definitely crying, but it's not dunku, it may or may not be
klaku, and it may or may not be krixa.

Honestly, I think crying is fundamental enough to the human
condition to deserve a gismu of its own.  I'm willing to take
suggestions, though, for how to describe the internal experience of
crying that can be none of klaku, dunku, or krixa.

-Robin

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