Which "gender" should have a gismu? grammatical, phenotypic, s= ocial, cultural, intentional, genetic, ...

From: Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com= >
To: lojban@googleg= roups.com
Sent: Mon, No= vember 7, 2011 10:36:25 AM
Subject= : Re: [lojban] gender

But just because gender is a complex concept, I don't think you can ignore = it.
I'm studying sociology, so I use the word gender a lot in different = discourses. First I was surprised that gender doesn't have a gismu.
How can you even discuss gender issues without a word for it?
How do you= say "I'm studying gender science" in lojban? Or "He has no right to oppres= s me just because we have different sex/gender"?
/jongausib

2011/11/7 John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.= com>

Gloryoski! Why should Lojban be able to sort out things = that the experts in the field can't yet get straight? Grammatical gen= der is defined by concordance and has, in a few languages, some more than c= asual relation to some physical features of the referents. Other lang= uages have derivational devices (other than concordance) to signal (somewha= t more regularly) such physical features (along with others, e.g., size, ag= e). Still others basically don't notice. As for the features involved= , the range is enormous. And when you throw in genetic data or cultur= al norms or internal intentions, you pass well beyond what languages manage= to deal with comfortably (or even uncomfortably).

From: Sebastian Fr=F6jd <= ;so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011= 6:11:47 AM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] gender

I like the word tarbykansa. So twins would be reltarbykansa or remei tarbyk= ansa?

Den m=E5ndagen den 7:e november 2011 skrev Sebastian Fr=F6jd&l= t;so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>:<= br> > Well, it seems a bit far-fetched, but on a very abstract level perhaps= you may experience some sort of gendered-grammatical-sexual tense between = masculine and feminine (and neutral) words. O maybe you can use zilselgenci= nse: ?
> c1=3Dg1 [word/object] exhibits grammatical defined gender/(sexual orie= ntation/sexuality) c3 (ka) in language/standard c4/g2 for structure/text g3=
>
> /jongausib
>
> 2011/11/7 vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com= >
>>
>> On 11/06/2011 09:30 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>= ; > On Sunday 06 November 2011 21:07:36 vitci'i wrote:
>> >&= gt; On 11/06/2011 07:57 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>> >>> Ye= s, but what does x2 of "gencinse" mean?
>> >>
>> >> Where did "gencinse" come from?
&= gt;> >
>> > Most Indo-European and Afro-Asiatic languages= have it. I guess "x1 is a word
>> > of gender x3", but what se= xual (or gendered) activities does a word partake
>> > in?
>> >
>>
>> Just to clarify:= when I asked where it came from, I meant how it entered
>> into t= he conversation, not what its etymology was.
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