Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:54218) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNTka-0007yI-Tv; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:59 -0800 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf6210919gyg.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=zjgh9MI/tV+wICFi+IoxaC0jHmLPB0L/eW9SwhwtKgw=; b=h8pLUghoYNL9nns/nG9oIXAKXlDEg19iZ18nJB9cRaSJW0kGIUTvaCdmdPCygEjr0d irPxkv8iDcGXAV6ZAv2FFnAjjTGcyfIcoscimFtEKpJe9JOg+TrhPJ/dRu/hIlOY0STm gl0QUHn6Ong4Dfxo9W+dPWx70nC7pKpxq4ZrI= Received: by 10.236.77.37 with SMTP id c25mr6644763yhe.19.1320689803688; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.2.12 with SMTP id e12ls12330923ani.3.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.80.34 with SMTP id j22mr40172085yhe.5.1320689801861; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.80.34 with SMTP id j22mr40172084yhe.5.1320689801851; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fagricipni.com (fagricipni.com. [69.5.18.101]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id u30si4591722yhu.7.2011.11.07.10.16.41; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com designates 69.5.18.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=69.5.18.101; Received: (qmail 19493 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2011 18:16:40 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.58.190.131] Subject: Re: [lojban] gender From: "H. Felton" To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <4EB81C9F.4090300@gmail.com> References: <201111062057.24471.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EB73D68.8090506@gmail.com> <201111062230.31412.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EB7526A.2070508@gmail.com> <1320681459.44222.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320687357.85830.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB81C9F.4090300@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:16:37 -0500 Message-ID: <1320689797.1887.4.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Original-Sender: lojban707@fagricipni.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com designates 69.5.18.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban707@fagricipni.com; domainkeys=pass header.From=lojban707@fagricipni.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Why not use lujvo? On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 11:59 -0600, vitci'i wrote: > One gismu for all of them, with a place to specify which one you're > talking about. > > On 11/07/2011 11:35 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > > Which "gender" should have a gismu? grammatical, phenotypic, social, cultural, > > intentional, genetic, ... > > 2011/11/7 John E Clifford > > > > Gloryoski! Why should Lojban be able to sort out things that the experts in the > > field can't yet get straight? Grammatical gender is defined by concordance and > > has, in a few languages, some more than casual relation to some physical > > features of the referents. Other languages have derivational devices (other > > than concordance) to signal (somewhat more regularly) such physical features > > (along with others, e.g., size, age). Still others basically don't notice. As > > for the features involved, the range is enormous. And when you throw in genetic > > data or cultural norms or internal intentions, you pass well beyond what > > languages manage to deal with comfortably (or even uncomfortably). Here, however, I think that using "cinse" is malglico; derive the words from "klesi" instead. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.