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[76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x3sm32589884anl.6.2011.11.07.10.30.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:30:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB823B4.4080700@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:30:12 -0600 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110921 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] gender References: <201111062057.24471.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EB73D68.8090506@gmail.com> <201111062230.31412.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EB7526A.2070508@gmail.com> <1320681459.44222.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320687357.85830.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB81C9F.4090300@gmail.com> <1320689797.1887.4.camel@fagricipni-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1320689797.1887.4.camel@fagricipni-desktop> X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Because we're going to want to specify it often. On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, H. Felton wrote: > Why not use lujvo? > > On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 11:59 -0600, vitci'i wrote: >> One gismu for all of them, with a place to specify which one you're >> talking about. >> >> On 11/07/2011 11:35 AM, John E Clifford wrote: >>> Which "gender" should have a gismu? grammatical, phenotypic, social, cultural, >>> intentional, genetic, ... > > > > >>> 2011/11/7 John E Clifford >>> >>> Gloryoski! Why should Lojban be able to sort out things that the experts in the >>> field can't yet get straight? Grammatical gender is defined by concordance and >>> has, in a few languages, some more than casual relation to some physical >>> features of the referents. Other languages have derivational devices (other >>> than concordance) to signal (somewhat more regularly) such physical features >>> (along with others, e.g., size, age). Still others basically don't notice. As >>> for the features involved, the range is enormous. And when you throw in genetic >>> data or cultural norms or internal intentions, you pass well beyond what >>> languages manage to deal with comfortably (or even uncomfortably). > > Here, however, I think that using "cinse" is malglico; derive > the words from "klesi" instead. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.