Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:46988) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNU16-00088P-Cf; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:34:03 -0800 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf6216129gyg.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:user-agent :mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JaBB3ClCxYqoPJHw0m9iGHTCLd4maPmBFL8Pk890enY=; b=C2zXGlTVwmDa2HKFXtxR3GblGBxtOzCFfU5esyzcJ91sq5ndl8xr3KFmgfPPcrNXQJ pqCjNz57NcAYF1blHOez4Lwue3KAPPeuJvcofdwzoKWzYHnwU1+6ivJfSP/e77OsQ5NV VDwl948A2LD67w7mgGIDNh06rnY3AT3iH2BE8= Received: by 10.236.80.40 with SMTP id j28mr371056yhe.10.1320690827574; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:47 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.100.236.2 with SMTP id j2ls10652601anh.0.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.24.38 with SMTP id 38mr6601300anx.1.1320690826033; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.24.38 with SMTP id 38mr6601299anx.1.1320690826013; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-yw0-f51.google.com (mail-yw0-f51.google.com [209.85.213.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g4si11854489anh.0.2011.11.07.10.33.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.51; Received: by ywp31 with SMTP id 31so5493583ywp.10 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.79.72 with SMTP id h48mr37467853yhe.4.1320690825879; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.103] (76-76-236-67.lisco.net. [76.76.236.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l8sm57720450anb.1.2011.11.07.10.33.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4EB82487.1080608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 12:33:43 -0600 From: vitci'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110921 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] gender References: <201111062057.24471.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EB73D68.8090506@gmail.com> <201111062230.31412.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4EB7526A.2070508@gmail.com>

<1320681459.44222.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320687357.85830.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB81C9F.4090300@gmail.com> <1320689797.1887.4.camel@fagricipni-desktop> <4EB823B4.4080700@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4EB823B4.4080700@gmail.com> X-Original-Sender: celestialcognition@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of celestialcognition@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=celestialcognition@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Actually, no. The real reason is because I want to make it explicit that using the gender gismu without specifying what kind of gender is omitting critical information. On 11/07/2011 12:30 PM, vitci'i wrote: > Because we're going to want to specify it often. > > On 11/07/2011 12:16 PM, H. Felton wrote: >> Why not use lujvo? >> >> On Mon, 2011-11-07 at 11:59 -0600, vitci'i wrote: >>> One gismu for all of them, with a place to specify which one you're >>> talking about. >>> >>> On 11/07/2011 11:35 AM, John E Clifford wrote: >>>> Which "gender" should have a gismu? grammatical, phenotypic, social, cultural, >>>> intentional, genetic, ... >> >> >> >> >>>> 2011/11/7 John E Clifford >>>> >>>> Gloryoski! Why should Lojban be able to sort out things that the experts in the >>>> field can't yet get straight? Grammatical gender is defined by concordance and >>>> has, in a few languages, some more than casual relation to some physical >>>> features of the referents. Other languages have derivational devices (other >>>> than concordance) to signal (somewhat more regularly) such physical features >>>> (along with others, e.g., size, age). Still others basically don't notice. As >>>> for the features involved, the range is enormous. And when you throw in genetic >>>> data or cultural norms or internal intentions, you pass well beyond what >>>> languages manage to deal with comfortably (or even uncomfortably). >> >> Here, however, I think that using "cinse" is malglico; derive >> the words from "klesi" instead. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.