Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:57896) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNWUj-0001IO-5g; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:12:43 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf940817vws.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:12:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pRCr+xTNeiykUzyWK5GEVYjMThwS7UE10hYYEyxjFsE=; b=dXm+wYV53+tBUz3zJJjgRAmOwaVvyaFPs9aQGiDnmbbwoP544ONdQg/X0OnL+NorLT qy2rmS4HDXtY+AmGMFn4M+zJK+nCZOgqDFOWsKqR8UZ1tcEMlFpPKbepwHnLZ9LK4vU9 AgtKJk389sHzCHG6KGIsFdOstNKnZLr7qsE90= Received: by 10.52.73.71 with SMTP id j7mr5101654vdv.9.1320700351813; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.215.71 with SMTP id hd7ls6924vcb.5.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:12:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.65 with SMTP id fq1mr23608943vdc.6.1320700316221; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:11:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.187.65 with SMTP id fq1mr23606701vdc.6.1320700280062; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bu17si11867153vdc.0.2011.11.07.13.11.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.182; Received: by mail-vx0-f182.google.com with SMTP id fo14so4875413vcb.13 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:11:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.4.33 with SMTP id h1mr2291955pbh.85.1320700279808; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 13:11:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.103.11 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:11:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:11:19 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] 'standard' bridi form From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec52156af08610004b12b7fa3 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec52156af08610004b12b7fa3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What Ian said. I do agree that it's definitely used more often in practice. About the only time that I don't use it is when I"m either trying for a special effect, such as writing a song or poem, or trying to save on typing by removing a cu in a case like, i.e., "lo gerku mi viska" as opposed to "lo gerku cu viska mi". --gejyspa On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:30 AM, tijlan wrote: > Do you agree with this CLL 9.2 statement: > > This ordering, with the x1 place before the selbri and all other > places in natural order after the selbri, is called standard bridi > form, and is found in the bulk of Lojban bridi, whether used in main > sentences or in subordinate clauses. > > Would you say that > > ko'a broda ko'e > > or > > ko'a broda gi'e brode vau ko'e > > is more 'standard' than > > ko'a ko'e broda > > or > > ko'a ko'e broda gi'e brode > > mu'o > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec52156af08610004b12b7fa3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 What Ian said.=A0 I do agree that it's defini= tely used more often in practice.=A0 About the only time that I don't u= se it is when I"m either trying for a special effect, such as writing = a song or poem, or trying to save on typing by removing a cu in a case like= , i.e., "lo gerku mi viska" as opposed to "lo gerku cu viska= mi".
=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa


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On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 5:30 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com= > wrote:
Do you agree with this CLL 9.2 s= tatement:

=A0This ordering, with the x1 place before the selbri and = all other
places in natural order after the selbri, is called standard bridi
form,= and is found in the bulk of Lojban bridi, whether used in main
sentence= s or in subordinate clauses.

Would you say that

=A0ko'a b= roda ko'e

or

=A0ko'a broda gi'e brode vau ko'e

is more = 'standard' than

=A0ko'a ko'e broda

or

= =A0ko'a ko'e broda gi'e brode

mu'o

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