Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:55809) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNXHj-0001hj-AA; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:27 -0800 Received: by faaq24 with SMTP id q24sf831053faa.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wLfcShhhMk+/E6IkNl6W4W3XYlr4G9CYm2ifnr9+fUM=; b=CTK8gG+iHzmkQzP//eF3U9WqbRWopNloSuiC+waAc+kYBiUMmAMnH7S+cIAQ0cA6py l8WPrJrAbCci/W3biwjzPBUkicAXHkFZqstXHXqEnjCjSEMsQfy1Kx5YnViRgR6slX1/ wEpg5CeVG6HQZ8Z42lGHjl0B/YAyIjr5xPChk= Received: by 10.223.62.84 with SMTP id w20mr372429fah.10.1320703389259; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:09 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.21.193 with SMTP id k1ls5299117fab.2.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.148.84 with SMTP id o20mr3411265bkv.6.1320703388174; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.148.84 with SMTP id o20mr3411262bkv.6.1320703388155; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17si10643593fai.0.2011.11.07.14.03.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by faat2 with SMTP id t2so4068356faa.34 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.109.199 with SMTP id hu7mr7532121lab.16.1320703387921; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:03:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111107023033.GC17040@gonzales> References: <20111106033146.GC2831@gonzales> <20111106182701.GA2703@gonzales> <20111106211140.GC2703@gonzales> <20111106221157.GE2703@gonzales> <20111107002553.GB17040@gonzales> <20111107023033.GC17040@gonzales> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:03:07 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > * Sunday, 2011-11-06 at 22:48 -0300 - Jorge Llamb=EDas : >> >> I would hazard to say that "ro klesi be ko'a cu mupli ko'a". > > Weird. What's the relation between klesi and mupli? I was assuming that > ro da poi klesi ku'o ro de zo'u go da de klesi gi ro di da na.a de > mupli. That's true if you allow any which property to define a kind. You can do that, of course, but we normally only use "reasonable" properties to define kinds. Every kind of X is an example of X, but the converse is less definitely true. Every example of X may eventually be a kind of X, if you are lax enough on what properties you allow to define kinds. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.