Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:63409) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNXdv-0001rQ-8x; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:23 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf4895812bka.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=JUO/r3xRrnmeqdHcVq4w3EGWpi780hZCO2Vy4+X8bdg=; b=O2mVC0ev+8dl84WqOW/OSevjfVWGCjGRHy0RGFqCOSbDMoQ2orS4Cbvhxijy4RGanf jcYO4SvH7ZLLtALKsWGxpFyk1rbMtoMtvuborGEARRq+5ZyRWXGMLWRLrKKNcz+FB3Gj vy9UWHTeLMAdNdjYbHKswJHSk0yCNVvM1tF5s= Received: by 10.204.133.208 with SMTP id g16mr2841483bkt.31.1320704765118; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:05 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.80.78 with SMTP id zt14ls17241054bkb.1.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr3376670bkw.2.1320704763794; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr3376668bkw.2.1320704763778; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17si10670527fai.0.2011.11.07.14.26.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by mail-fx0-f53.google.com with SMTP id n15so2901152faa.12 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.165 with SMTP id tt5mr7451388lab.23.1320704763584; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111107171940.GB2718@gonzales> References: <4EAC5B24.4000604@gmail.com> <20111103234955.GA3758@gonzales> <4EB43035.6040407@gmail.com> <20111104233756.GB24058@gonzales> <4EB4A123.7030305@gmail.com> <20111105061247.GE24058@gonzales> <4EB526B7.7070008@gmail.com> <20111105172216.GI24058@gonzales> <1320680539.36060.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20111107171940.GB2718@gonzales> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:26:03 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] {zo'e} as close-scope existentially quantified plural variable From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Martin Bays wrote: > > I proposing a simple test/definition of when level-mixing has gone too > far: > > A unary broda is Sloppy if, in any domain containing everything which > can broda, Every domain contains everything which can broda in that domain, by definition of "everything" and "domain", how could it be otherwise? Where are you taking things that broda from? ... > They try to dodge this problem by introducing informal rules to avoid > level-mixing within a single domain - in particular, they would never > consider a domain like those in the definition of Sloppy. The definition of "Sloppy" is not understandable in the absence of a Ready Made universe within which "a domain containing everything which can broda" can be interpreted non-trivially. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.