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<1320681459.44222.YahooMailRC@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1320687357.85830.YahooMailRC@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4EB81C9F.4090300@gmail.com> <1320689797.1887.4.camel@fagricipni-desktop> <4EB823B4.4080700@gmail.com> <4EB82487.1080608@gmail.com> <4EB82819.2010603@gmail.com> <35370FB6-7C1C-4B21-80EF-56F2213B58DE@yahoo.com> <4EB845AE.3080907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1320722048.69601.YahooMailRC@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:14:08 -0800 (PST) From: John E Clifford Subject: Re: [lojban] gender To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <4EB845AE.3080907@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 66.94.237.204 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Well, at least we have gotten grammar out. The remaining notions of gender and sex (and whatever other terms have come along to sort these out a bit) are separate enough (though the terminology is not standardized yet) to start getting away from the confusions that working with one or two terms raise. To be sure, for most people most of these notions run more or less together, but for a significant number they do not and it would seem ti desirab;e thing to sort them out eventually and not continue lumping them together into that couple of terms and their compounds (which often are based on rather disparaging notions, alas). ----- Original Message ---- From: vitci'i To: lojban@googlegroups.com Sent: Mon, November 7, 2011 2:55:10 PM Subject: Re: [lojban] gender On 11/07/2011 02:29 PM, John E. Clifford wrote: > But fosters the notion that these various concepts are somehow related beyond >the accidents of English vocabulary. But sociologically assigned gender, biological sex at birth, biological sex constructed by surgery, personal identification, etc. *are* entangled -- not identical, but not easily separable either, and if nothing else then at least moderately-strongly correlated. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.