Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:62250) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNgU6-0004xo-Od; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:53 -0800 Received: by iage36 with SMTP id e36sf344753iag.16 for ; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ec2fkschUsGjq8fGEiY9F9f0NVuCxhtHSgHfVFzdk0M=; b=k8gE8xf5t+a8lSkSv5YR7UfCjye1QG9NojbW2eK4o00ANE4KDYOaSj7lQ1OQJM3saG H77yFLJ8XTF7Nw7vF5uNQLsA7IEi8SCVrv9QlgG/vAKUDcu3dncFLVe58tzIpj8VbcX+ qwxPSZEkfbpgoFzzC+K1t9ukJ5DVdKd3xYOjU= Received: by 10.182.14.9 with SMTP id l9mr587596obc.9.1320738753863; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:33 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.26.8 with SMTP id h8ls438436pbg.1.gmail; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.59.229 with SMTP id c5mr2480079pbr.6.1320738753299; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.59.229 with SMTP id c5mr2480078pbr.6.1320738753290; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r5si1106808pbe.1.2011.11.07.23.52.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:33 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNgTw-0004xj-1Q for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 07 Nov 2011 23:52:32 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:52:32 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, sort of: catlu vs. zgana Message-ID: <20111108075231.GK21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111106230135.GM21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111107073107.GI21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 06:44:32PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:31 AM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 08:17:07PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > >> > >> catlu =3D troci lo nu viska > >> zgana =3D troci lo nu ganse > > > > Wait, *what*? =A0How the hell did {troci} get in there? =A0Neither > > definition implies "attempts to" in any way at all. >=20 > The goal of catlu is viska, but it's possible to catlu and fail to > viska. *chuckle* Come on, xorxes; we've been playing this game long enough that you should know that you making a bare assertion like that isn't good enough. Again: I see no evidence at all in the definitions that what you just said is actually, ya know, *true*. How do you justify it? It would be really nice if, instead of making me drag the entire chain of thought in your head out one link at a time, you would generate the next 3 links or so and save us both some trouble. -Robin --=20 http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.