Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:41243) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNkIP-0006fJ-SB; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:57:03 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf286455bka.16 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=SsErRTNkZWviG3awu+3LoUIZ1XCgXSqHdiWIMf2RlBg=; b=pRX6ZtpyLGDAZEfHy3C9KnckPX4Ygo7qxPTwLNJL7RbisjtTtCjQFYsDUxVrCl+fcW 5I/wTz+mpmijRjtlNqp4m9b7uiDUNfgRGOmqn2QJx+0GbM2xfN+NXW3drinsLSrvqDHx jfeypRaNcI9fO01MZ5AtIby6awEPAJF0Su27k= Received: by 10.204.143.24 with SMTP id s24mr2238323bku.35.1320753403454; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.80.78 with SMTP id zt14ls18460299bkb.1.gmail; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.8 with SMTP id m8mr125164bks.5.1320753401618; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.8 with SMTP id m8mr125163bks.5.1320753401606; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f45.google.com (mail-bw0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ew9si221117bkb.3.2011.11.08.03.56.41 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.45; Received: by mail-bw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id zu5so338548bkb.4 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.106.130 with SMTP id gu2mr8585105lab.37.1320753401426; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 03:56:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20111108075231.GK21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <20111106230135.GM21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111107073107.GI21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111108075231.GK21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:56:41 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, sort of: catlu vs. zgana From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 4:52 AM, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 06:44:32PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> The goal of catlu is viska, but it's possible to catlu and fail to >> viska. > > *chuckle* > > Come on, xorxes; we've been playing this game long enough that you > should know that you making a bare assertion like that isn't good > enough. > > Again: I see no evidence at all in the definitions that what you > just said is actually, ya know, *true*. =A0How do you justify it? > > It would be really nice if, instead of making me drag the entire > chain of thought in your head out one link at a time, you would > generate the next 3 links or so and save us both some trouble. I just didn't think I was saying anything so remarkable. The first definition of "look" I find in http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/look is: "to turn one's eyes toward something or in some direction in order to see" If you think the relationship between "catlu" and "viska" is other than the relation between "look" and "see", or if you can find a more precise way to express that relation than with "troci", please do. In any case, your original question was about how to distinguish "catlu" from "zgana", and the important part of my reply was that zgana is to ganse as catlu is to viska. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.