Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:62565) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNlVs-0007M3-NZ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:58 -0800 Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29sf263165qyk.16 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=UjUB38Bds/2f5rfLKRfpbJg16Cup1J/01wV19uF59zQ=; b=vCy14sWsPK2OWOAKIKo7SvIMpUdM8L2VkLjHG8aUFeTX0O6bHMdxABTBKQVg0wonPM L4514JGnmEiD1ZuyEF0vY3xd/UQxCAoa3oEL0RBxunOnaSW0xCtUTYlCRmgQJzu9CYiT ikV2EnE0Tob1zqmAciTJizQiTyBwHyr5eMQ5Y= Received: by 10.229.32.196 with SMTP id e4mr706647qcd.21.1320758082946; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.161.68 with SMTP id q4ls9882597qcx.0.gmail; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.192.10 with SMTP id do10mr11695127qab.6.1320758082435; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.192.10 with SMTP id do10mr11695125qab.6.1320758082428; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s41si681344qcq.3.2011.11.08.05.14.42; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 05:14:42 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=dNAkaZlb c=1 sm=0 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=lqrqKSBOoIAA:10 a=v-e_UCCTQVEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=LIBU3OmOIo00t5-_R5IA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:56966] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 0C/53-16605-14B29BE4; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:14:41 +0000 Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16A0A215EF for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:14:41 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, sort of: catlu vs. zgana Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:14:13 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20111106230135.GM21434@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20111108075231.GK21492@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201111080814.17045.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday 08 November 2011 06:56:41 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > In any case, your original question was about how to distinguish > "catlu" from "zgana", and the important part of my reply was that > zgana is to ganse as catlu is to viska. To me, to look is to direct a sense at something (for us it's sight, but I'= d=20 accept a bat looking with its ears), and one can look at something and fail= =20 to see it (a star in broad daylight). To observe or behold something requir= es=20 actual perception, and does not require direction. To examine or inspect=20 requires paying attention to details. To watch, which is in the definition = of=20 both words, is to spend some time paying attention to something. As to ganse vs. viska, one ganse a property but viska a thing. Genesis=20 1:4: ".i la cevni cu ga'ezga le gusni le ka xamgu" There's a word "vi'azga" in the notes of "zgana". Presumably this is differ= ent=20 from "catlu". Pierre --=20 sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.