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I can say {citmle} without anything syllabic, as far as I can tell; is that
difficult for you? Note by the way that this is in contrast to a number of
pronunciation difficulties that I still have; my {x} is still quite weak,
for example, and can be hard to tell from my {k} in a number of positions
in words. So somehow it seems like if I can say it, lots of people should
be able to? Or something?

I don't really like the sound, both for malgli and nalmalgli reasons, of
{cit-} in general, though. Put differently, {citmle} doesn't sound like
what it means.

mu'o mi'e latros

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 03:07:12PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:21:05PM -0600, vitci'i wrote:
> > > On 11/06/2011 02:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> > > > On Sunday 06 November 2011 13:50:43 vitci'i wrote:
> > > >> I suspect it's more precisely the presence of three consecutive
> > > >> consonants.
> > > >
> > > > where the first is a stop or fricative and the second is "m"
> > > > (the other syllabic consonants can't begin a rafsi). But that
> > > > doesn't explain why I prefer "tolcliva" to "tolyli'a".
> > > >
> > > > There is a word which has that form, except that the second
> > > > consonant is not "m" but another syllabic consonant: "visnda".
> > > > Should it be changed to "vi'unda"?
> > > >
> > > > Pierre
> > >
> > > I prefer tolcliva over tolyli'a, and vi'unda over visnda. I don't
> > > have a theory as to why. Perhaps "ol" feels like a consonantless
> > > vowel in my mouth.
> >
> > I prefer tolcliva and visnada.  I've got nothin'.  :)
>
> I misread visnda.  I prefer tolcliva and vi'unda as well.  I find
> visnda icky in the same way as citmle.
>
> I think the issue is that for {tolcliva}, it's {tol} {cli} {va}, all
> of which are easy.  For {visnda}, it's {vis} {n} {da}, and
> similarily {cit} {m} {le}.  It's really the syllablic bits I find
> annoying, I guess?
>
> -Robin
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I can say {citmle} without anything syllabic, as far as I can tell; is that=
 difficult for you? Note by the way that this is in contrast to a number of=
 pronunciation difficulties that I still have; my {x} is still quite weak, =
for example, and can be hard to tell from my {k} in a number of positions i=
n words. So somehow it seems like if I can say it, lots of people should be=
 able to? Or something?<br>
<br>I don&#39;t really like the sound, both for malgli and nalmalgli reason=
s, of {cit-} in general, though. Put differently, {citmle} doesn&#39;t soun=
d like what it means.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros<br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt=
 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1e=
x;">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 03:07:12PM -0800, Robin Lee Powel=
l wrote:<br>
&gt; On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 02:21:05PM -0600, vitci&#39;i wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; On 11/06/2011 02:17 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; On Sunday 06 November 2011 13:50:43 vitci&#39;i wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; I suspect it&#39;s more precisely the presence of three =
consecutive<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; consonants.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; where the first is a stop or fricative and the second is &qu=
ot;m&quot;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; (the other syllabic consonants can&#39;t begin a rafsi). But=
 that<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; doesn&#39;t explain why I prefer &quot;tolcliva&quot; to &qu=
ot;tolyli&#39;a&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; There is a word which has that form, except that the second<=
br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; consonant is not &quot;m&quot; but another syllabic consonan=
t: &quot;visnda&quot;.<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Should it be changed to &quot;vi&#39;unda&quot;?<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Pierre<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; I prefer tolcliva over tolyli&#39;a, and vi&#39;unda over visnda.=
 I don&#39;t<br>
&gt; &gt; have a theory as to why. Perhaps &quot;ol&quot; feels like a cons=
onantless<br>
&gt; &gt; vowel in my mouth.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I prefer tolcliva and visnada. =A0I&#39;ve got nothin&#39;. =A0:)<br>
<br>
</div>I misread visnda. =A0I prefer tolcliva and vi&#39;unda as well. =A0I =
find<br>
visnda icky in the same way as citmle.<br>
<br>
I think the issue is that for {tolcliva}, it&#39;s {tol} {cli} {va}, all<br=
>
of which are easy. =A0For {visnda}, it&#39;s {vis} {n} {da}, and<br>
similarily {cit} {m} {le}. =A0It&#39;s really the syllablic bits I find<br>
annoying, I guess?<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
-Robin<br>
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is dead&quot; is &quot;ti poi spitaki cu morsi&quot;, but &quot;this senten=
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