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No answer for the {ko} form. But for the other, I have a very non-standard
solution that I think might just work: treat {dai} as a scale. (Glosses
below subject to all the standard rigamarole of "attitudinals aren't
propositions", etc; work with me here.)

{.o'u dai [ja'ai]}: I see you're relaxed, and feel relaxed with you
{.o'u dai nai}: You're relaxed, but I'm not.
{.o'u dai cu'i}: You're relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel is being
expressed here.

I don't think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this seems
consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings for
the others.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

>
> OK, so there's {dai}.  {.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am also
> happy along with you".
>
> What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things
> like {.o'u [you should be feeling this]}.  Something like a UI
> equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever.
>
> Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the
> flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this
> purpose.
>
> Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I'm
> not myself, but I observe it in you]}.  Which, again, {za'a do
> dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for
> it.
>
> I don't know why I have these urges, but I thought I'd throw them
> out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it's worth
> playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it.  As usual, I
> probably won't be following the thread.
>
> -Robin
>
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No answer for the {ko} form. But for the other, I have a very non-standard =
solution that I think might just work: treat {dai} as a scale. (Glosses bel=
ow subject to all the standard rigamarole of &quot;attitudinals aren&#39;t =
propositions&quot;, etc; work with me here.)<br>

<br>{.o&#39;u dai [ja&#39;ai]}: I see you&#39;re relaxed, and feel relaxed =
with you<br>{.o&#39;u dai nai}: You&#39;re relaxed, but I&#39;m not.<br>{.o=
&#39;u dai cu&#39;i}: You&#39;re relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel i=
s being expressed here.<br>

<br>I don&#39;t think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this se=
ems consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings fo=
r the others.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:59=
 AM, Robin Lee Powell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digi=
talkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><br>
OK, so there&#39;s {dai}. =A0{.ui dai} means &quot;you are happy, and I am =
also<br>
happy along with you&quot;.<br>
<br>
What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things<br>
like {.o&#39;u [you should be feeling this]}. =A0Something like a UI<br>
equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever.<br>
<br>
Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the<br>
flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this<br>
purpose.<br>
<br>
Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I&#39;m<br>
not myself, but I observe it in you]}. =A0Which, again, {za&#39;a do<br>
dunku}, but when I&#39;m in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for<br>
it.<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t know why I have these urges, but I thought I&#39;d throw them<b=
r>
out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it&#39;s worth<br>
playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it. =A0As usual, I<br>
probably won&#39;t be following the thread.<br>
<br>
-Robin<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
<a href=3D"http://singinst.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://singinst.org/</a>=
 : =A0Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.<br>
Lojban (<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.loj=
ban.org/</a>): The language in which &quot;this parrot<br>
is dead&quot; is &quot;ti poi spitaki cu morsi&quot;, but &quot;this senten=
ce is false&quot;<br>
is &quot;na nei&quot;. =A0 My personal page: <a href=3D"http://www.digitalk=
ingdom.org/rlp/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/</a><b=
r>
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