Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:44901) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNqkC-0004Lv-CG; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:50:09 -0800 Received: by faaq24 with SMTP id q24sf87860faa.16 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=mwGmBTcVm+ngXl5qecNLG7301dMtz9saNMIeaMo5VTo=; b=kHen+t+NWkBYDy9YvnOtsOVBxBRjvv+3IbFQjuVXFSKbd/UmWiLZCmUTDakqMLYiYS 1SPvprhx7IlSuCQVLa81Eou7i4mo+1dh9lc9VpNOekVqqcCekqMveIzOPE55kCZ5pT8+ F8iac/0nFyBbVaMZAwkr+hCQjrOOxQcEpWb2w= Received: by 10.223.18.212 with SMTP id x20mr518273faa.0.1320778189941; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:49 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.21.193 with SMTP id k1ls6231515fab.2.gmail; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.132.13 with SMTP id hs13mr1145988bkc.0.1320778188828; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.132.13 with SMTP id hs13mr1145987bkc.0.1320778188803; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f44.google.com (mail-fx0-f44.google.com [209.85.161.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p12si1304405fad.1.2011.11.08.10.49.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.44; Received: by mail-fx0-f44.google.com with SMTP id s12so1044366faa.31 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.135.195 with SMTP id pu3mr9396236lab.17.1320778187870; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 10:49:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.1.7 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:49:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111105115950.GJ8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:49:47 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, but general relevance: dai-like cmavo From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426dd0b7130c04b13da230 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04426dd0b7130c04b13da230 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I kind of like that. That's a pretty good idea. On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Adam Lopresto wrote: > No answer for the {ko} form. But for the other, I have a very non-standard > solution that I think might just work: treat {dai} as a scale. (Glosses > below subject to all the standard rigamarole of "attitudinals aren't > propositions", etc; work with me here.) > > {.o'u dai [ja'ai]}: I see you're relaxed, and feel relaxed with you > {.o'u dai nai}: You're relaxed, but I'm not. > {.o'u dai cu'i}: You're relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel is being > expressed here. > > I don't think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this seems > consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings for > the others. > > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> >> OK, so there's {dai}. {.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am also >> happy along with you". >> >> What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things >> like {.o'u [you should be feeling this]}. Something like a UI >> equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever. >> >> Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the >> flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this >> purpose. >> >> Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I'm >> not myself, but I observe it in you]}. Which, again, {za'a do >> dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for >> it. >> >> I don't know why I have these urges, but I thought I'd throw them >> out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it's worth >> playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it. As usual, I >> probably won't be following the thread. >> >> -Robin >> >> -- >> http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. >> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot >> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" >> is "na nei". 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To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04426dd0b7130c04b13da230 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I kind of like that. That's a pretty good idea.

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Adam Lopresto <adamlopresto@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:
No answer for the {ko} form. But for the ot= her, I have a very non-standard solution that I think might just work: trea= t {dai} as a scale. (Glosses below subject to all the standard rigamarole o= f "attitudinals aren't propositions", etc; work with me here.= )

{.o'u dai [ja'ai]}: I see you're relaxed, and feel relaxed = with you
{.o'u dai nai}: You're relaxed, but I'm not.
{.o= 'u dai cu'i}: You're relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel i= s being expressed here.

I don't think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this se= ems consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings fo= r the others.

On Sat, N= ov 5, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom= .org> wrote:

OK, so there's {dai}. =A0{.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am = also
happy along with you".

What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things
like {.o'u [you should be feeling this]}. =A0Something like a UI
equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever.

Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the
flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this
purpose.

Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I'm
not myself, but I observe it in you]}. =A0Which, again, {za'a do
dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for
it.

I don't know why I have these urges, but I thought I'd throw them out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it's worth
playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it. =A0As usual, I
probably won't be following the thread.

-Robin

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Lojban (http://www.loj= ban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
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is "na nei". =A0 My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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