Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:41130) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RNtO0-0005gu-IJ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:24 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf706797bka.16 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Z5zURAqwg0CflNh3MRlBH3iyqHmvuIQnIRIxuqBgQfo=; b=FDYc29ZG4jxTqmlJU9BaA3G2wJ5c9iXyTjih7FAbBAYYBmBSkwOE2EN0/mUPZG84ih 42bghmnXEJkvhwgKOI6VNDJyM2n5I1a6Tpvjh34HYpbMcTbZjPN01P8acZtkmwjMOPpi Sniv1ZVjy9tvxQeHCTzWWZ+tWp/lhHxGVvVjk= Received: by 10.204.157.19 with SMTP id z19mr683850bkw.24.1320788346659; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.200.144 with SMTP id ew16ls12856bkb.2.gmail; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.184.2 with SMTP id ci2mr3947179bkb.7.1320788343252; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.184.2 with SMTP id ci2mr3947178bkb.7.1320788343234; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f49.google.com (mail-bw0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ew9si458660bkb.3.2011.11.08.13.39.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.49; Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2so1187987bka.36 for ; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.154.77 with SMTP id n13mr6491593bkw.83.1320788343076; Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.41.68 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:39:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320583059.2268.1.camel@fagricipni-desktop> References: <1320583059.2268.1.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:39:03 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How to Say "is made of"? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cf9b40335e104b14000f9 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175cf9b40335e104b14000f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 (incidentally, it's "zbasu", not "zabsu") On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:37 AM, H. Felton wrote: > I know that the CLL uses "living things are made of cells" as > an *example* of the use of "zi'o" -- > "loi jimve cu se zabsu zi'o loi selci" --; nevertheless, > there must be a better way of expressing the "made of" > relationship. My thought-of sentence was "ordinary matter is > made of atoms" (On an incidental note, I decided that I needed > to use "slabu" for this use of "ordinary".); I ended up with > "lo slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni". > > As far as the original "loi jimve cu se zabsu zi'o loi selci", > I can see no reason post-xorlo that "lo" wouldn't work just as > well as "loi"; ie, "lo jimve cu se zabsu zi'o lo selci". Then > with my choice for "is made of": "lo jimve cu gunma lo selci". > > I'm not so sure about the choice of "lo" vs "loi" as I am that > there _should be_ a better expression for "is made of" than > having to use "zabsu" with the maker place blocked up with > "zo'i"; the concept of "is made of" is just too common. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015175cf9b40335e104b14000f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0 (incidentally, it's "zbasu", not "z= absu")

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:37 AM, H. Felton <lojban707@fagri= cipni.com> wrote:
I know that the CLL uses "l= iving things are made of cells" as
an *example* of the use of "= ;zi'o" --
"loi jimve cu se zabsu zi'o loi selci" --; nevertheless,
t= here must be a better way of expressing the "made of"
relation= ship. =A0My thought-of sentence was "ordinary matter is
made of ato= ms" (On an incidental note, I decided that I needed
to use "slabu" for this use of "ordinary".); I ended up= with
"lo slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni".

As far as the= original "loi jimve cu se zabsu zi'o loi selci",
I can se= e no reason post-xorlo that "lo" wouldn't work just as
well as "loi"; ie, "lo jimve cu se zabsu zi'o lo selci&q= uot;. =A0Then
with my choice for "is made of": "lo jimve = cu gunma lo selci".

I'm not so sure about the choice of &qu= ot;lo" vs "loi" as I am that
there _should be_ a better expression for "is made of" than
ha= ving to use "zabsu" with the maker place blocked up with
"= ;zo'i"; the concept of "is made of" is just too common.<= br>

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