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  Yeah, I had the same thought! Imagine lojban as an Idioglossia.

   As far as the sign language, I agree with you, Robin.  The modalities
are completely different.  People who are unfamiliar with the concept think
that ASL is somehow related to English.  It isn't, in the slightest (my
wife is fluent in ASL, and I'm... well, sorta fluent would be kind).  It
just happens to be spoken by people in the same country.  And SEE is just
cruel, and slows the deaf down.  So the concept of some sort of "lojbanic
sign language" is just silly Now, on the other hand, using signs with kids
IS a good idea, for the reasons Sebastian mentioned.
                       --gejyspa

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:40 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

> Congratulations, Robin!
>
> After a certain time, the twins will speak between themselves, and the
> burden on you will thereby be lessened (I'm guessing).
>
> stevo
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>=A0 Yeah, I had the same thought! Imagine lojban as a=
n Idioglossia.</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>=A0=A0 As far as the sign language, I agree with you, Robin.=A0 The mo=
dalities are completely different.=A0 People who are unfamiliar with the co=
ncept think that ASL is somehow related to English.=A0 It isn&#39;t, in the=
 slightest (my wife is fluent in ASL, and I&#39;m... well, sorta fluent wou=
ld be kind).=A0 It just happens to be spoken by people in the same country.=
=A0 And SEE is just cruel, and slows the deaf down.=A0 So the concept of so=
me sort of &quot;lojbanic sign language&quot; is just silly Now, on the oth=
er hand, using signs with kids IS a good idea, for the reasons Sebastian me=
ntioned.<br>
</div>
<div>=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --g=
ejyspa</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:40 PM, MorphemeAddict =
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>Congratulations, Robin!</div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>After a certain time, the twins will speak between themselves, and the=
 burden on you will thereby be lessened (I&#39;m guessing). </div>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>stevo<br><br></div>
<div>
<div></div>
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