On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Luke Bergen= <lukeabergen= @gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmm. =A0If {o'u dai nai} is "you feel relaxed but I do not" = would {o'u nai dai} be "you feel not relaxed and feel that way too= " or "you do not feel relaxed but I do"? =A0Maybe one would = be {o'u nai dai nai} and the other would be {o'u nai dai}?

This all feels very strange. =A0The construct seems like it = could be useful though.

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Adam Lopresto <= span dir=3D"ltr"><adamlopresto@gmail.com> wrote:

No answer for the {ko} form. But for the oth= er, I have a very non-standard solution that I think might just work: treat= {dai} as a scale. (Glosses below subject to all the standard rigamarole of= "attitudinals aren't propositions", etc; work with me here.)=

{.o'u dai [ja'ai]}: I see you're relaxed, and feel relaxed = with you
{.o'u dai nai}: You're relaxed, but I'm not.
{.o= 'u dai cu'i}: You're relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel i= s being expressed here.

I don't think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this se= ems consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings fo= r the others.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at= 6:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org><= /span> wrote:

OK, so there's {dai}. =A0{.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am = also
happy along with you".

What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things
like {.o'u [you should be feeling this]}. =A0Something like a UI
equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever.

Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the
flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this
purpose.

Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I'm
not myself, but I observe it in you]}. =A0Which, again, {za'a do
dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for
it.

I don't know why I have these urges, but I thought I'd throw them out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it's worth
playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it. =A0As usual, I
probably won't be following the thread.

-Robin

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