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For any given UI, {UI} is "I feel X", and then the other 3 cases
(both of us, only you, you but not me) are listed below.  {.o'u nai}
is a UI for this purpose, so {.o'u nai dai} would mean exactly what
it means now: "we're both tense".

-Robin

On Tue, Nov 08, 2011 at 02:54:39PM -0500, Luke Bergen wrote:
> Hmmm.  If {o'u dai nai} is "you feel relaxed but I do not" would
> {o'u nai dai} be "you feel not relaxed and feel that way too" or
> "you do not feel relaxed but I do"?  Maybe one would be {o'u nai
> dai nai} and the other would be {o'u nai dai}?
> 
> This all feels very strange.  The construct seems like it could be
> useful though.
> 
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Adam Lopresto <adamlopresto@gmail.com>wrote:
> 
> > No answer for the {ko} form. But for the other, I have a very non-standard
> > solution that I think might just work: treat {dai} as a scale. (Glosses
> > below subject to all the standard rigamarole of "attitudinals aren't
> > propositions", etc; work with me here.)
> >
> > {.o'u dai [ja'ai]}: I see you're relaxed, and feel relaxed with you
> > {.o'u dai nai}: You're relaxed, but I'm not.
> > {.o'u dai cu'i}: You're relaxed. Nothing at all about how I feel is being
> > expressed here.
> >
> > I don't think {dai} as a scale has any defined meaning, but this seems
> > consistent with the standard base form, while adding useful meanings for
> > the others.
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Robin Lee Powell <
> > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> OK, so there's {dai}.  {.ui dai} means "you are happy, and I am also
> >> happy along with you".
> >>
> >> What I routinely find myself wanting to say to the babies is things
> >> like {.o'u [you should be feeling this]}.  Something like a UI
> >> equivalent of {ko surla}, or {ko gleki}, or whatever.
> >>
> >> Obviously, I can just *say* {ko surla}, but I find myself, in the
> >> flow of Lojban, really *wanting* to use the UI cmavo for this
> >> purpose.
> >>
> >> Similarily, I also want {.oi [I see that you are feeling this; I'm
> >> not myself, but I observe it in you]}.  Which, again, {za'a do
> >> dunku}, but when I'm in the flow speaking Lojban, I want a UI for
> >> it.
> >>
> >> I don't know why I have these urges, but I thought I'd throw them
> >> out in case other people feel similarily and maybe think it's worth
> >> playing with a couple of experimental cmavo for it.  As usual, I
> >> probably won't be following the thread.
> >>
> >> -Robin
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://singinst.org/ :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
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> >> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"
> >> is "na nei".   My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/
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