Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:58649) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RO84C-0003vw-L6; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:55 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf885685vws.16 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=vIqSGWLua9WE2xVot+FAasG5TGzBEBat5Rg+QN/LvzE=; b=xpxg4Oz0LRglO/iWixKXwMYZAb2ugXIxQFFUGu9Tf1GUa2tWgUw/aSecw0XV4OXSyS +N1gOJvBBGep/CbDtVcry5upf0WlYuwtu4Wq4eT7QYvMuC1ngTi1oelMu8pFEuJHPZG3 SL7qFlPeD5AkN4oWRVzrd2M9K5dHQ8nEo9COQ= Received: by 10.52.27.240 with SMTP id w16mr182029vdg.20.1320844779457; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:39 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.77.42 with SMTP id p10ls822866vdw.2.gmail; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.23.70 with SMTP id k6mr2483974vdf.1.1320844778557; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.23.70 with SMTP id k6mr2483973vdf.1.1320844778550; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c19si2415570vdd.1.2011.11.09.05.19.37; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:19:38 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=YYg/Fntf c=1 sm=0 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=T7yuIfwmwB0A:10 a=v-e_UCCTQVEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=OeFUo7P3BSylO5animEA:9 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:50051] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 66/4D-17438-9ED7ABE4; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:19:37 +0000 Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BD115683 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:19:37 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, but general relevance: dai-like cmavo Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:19:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20111105115950.GJ8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201111090819.17457.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Tuesday 08 November 2011 17:53:35 Jonathan Jones wrote: > I think, to make things as simple as possible, UI* dai should always mean > "You and I UI*", UI* dai nai, "You UI* but I don't", etc. So {o'unai dai} > would be "you and I both feel not relaxed". I disagree. I think "UI dai nai" says explicitly that my feeling of UI is mine alone; to say that my feeling of UI is equal to what I feel you (or someone else) feel, I'd say "UI dai cu'i". "pei" is a special case. "pei" asks whether you feel an emotion, so "pei dai" asks whether you feel someone else (possibly I) feels an emotion. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.