Received: from mail-pz0-f61.google.com ([209.85.210.61]:39873) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RO87t-0003yA-Mo; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:48 -0800 Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33sf105227pzk.16 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :sender:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=O1pEIBrjdfmCnu5EKMT16oiSvSY+JlittOKXcOJK4WE=; b=XXAakGTDPpSfHpjZNmlfuiQq1GzdV/Xf6M0TjiUclP3tLSwGXFgSjNBCcs7KBJLjAV BCssUhsAE/nZjCuWFlZoanEi27kTYNBQHFELGge8PfV5EIa4nPJyKw1zjEb7Zzp0c7in 1yl7H0BNMyOtSPbCFKARVvnBy6RyXRRR8MEwY= Received: by 10.68.1.66 with SMTP id 2mr237975pbk.15.1320845009327; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.12.106 with SMTP id x10ls2020437pbb.3.gmail; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.50.169 with SMTP id d9mr2174031pbo.0.1320845008734; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.50.169 with SMTP id d9mr2174030pbo.0.1320845008725; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l3si875965pbd.0.2011.11.09.05.23.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RO87j-0003y6-9e for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 05:23:27 -0800 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:23:27 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, but general relevance: dai-like cmavo Message-ID: <20111109132326.GN19979@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20111105115950.GJ8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111090819.17457.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <201111090819.17457.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@stodi.digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Nov 09, 2011 at 09:19:08AM -0400, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 08 November 2011 17:53:35 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I think, to make things as simple as possible, UI* dai should > > always mean "You and I UI*", UI* dai nai, "You UI* but I don't", > > etc. So {o'unai dai} would be "you and I both feel not relaxed". > > I disagree. I think "UI dai nai" says explicitly that my feeling > of UI is mine alone; to say that my feeling of UI is equal to what > I feel you (or someone else) feel, I'd say "UI dai cu'i". Well, {dai nai} isn't currently defined at all. Since the default is that you're expressing your own emotions (as I've said elsewhere, I feel strongly that that's the *only* valid use of bare UI), I'd rather use {dai nai} for something useful. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.