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Well, I'm saying that aren't the meanings of:

.i lo pamoi .i slabu marji lo ratni
.i lo remoi .i lo slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni

distinct in that the first says "ordinary matter made up of atoms", as if=
=20
{lo ratni} is clarifying which kind of ordinary matter we are talking=20
about, and that there are other ordinary matters we aren't talking about=20
that aren't made up of atoms;
whereas the second says "ordinary matter is made up of atoms" as a=20
declarative, since the "made up of" part is the selbri.
More lojbanically, if I were to compare the masses (the x=E2=82=81s, as it =
happens)=20
being discussed in each of these, I would get:

.i lo pamoi gunma ku du lo slabu marji be lo ratni
.i lo remoi gunma ku du lo slabu marji ku lo gunma be lo ratni

where the first is simply talking about a mass of ordinary matter, the kind=
=20
made up of atoms, and the second is explicitly saying the mass is the same=
=20
as the ordinary matter is the same as the mass made up of cells.

I guess my question is, do these hold the meaning differences my mind wants=
=20
to give them, or am I missing something?

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Well, I'm saying that aren't the meanings of:<div><br></div><div>.i lo pamo=
i .i slabu marji lo ratni</div><div>.i lo remoi .i&nbsp;lo slabu marji ku g=
unma lo ratni</div><div><br></div><div>distinct in that the first says "ord=
inary matter made up of atoms", as if {lo ratni} is clarifying which kind o=
f ordinary matter we are talking about, and that there are other ordinary m=
atters we aren't talking about that aren't made up of atoms;</div><div>wher=
eas the second says "ordinary matter is made up of atoms" as a declarative,=
 since the "made up of" part is the selbri.</div><div>More lojbanically, if=
 I were to compare the masses (the x=E2=82=81s, as it happens) being discus=
sed in each of these, I would get:</div><div><br></div><div>.i lo pamoi gun=
ma ku du lo slabu marji be lo ratni</div><div>.i lo remoi gunma ku du&nbsp;=
lo slabu marji ku&nbsp;lo gunma be lo ratni</div><div><br></div><div>where =
the first is simply talking about a mass of ordinary matter, the kind made =
up of atoms, and the second is explicitly saying the mass is the same as th=
e ordinary matter is the same as the mass made up of cells.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>I guess my question is, do these hold the meaning differences my =
mind wants to give them, or am I missing something?</div>

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