Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]:58201) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ROFFA-0002BB-RJ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:43 -0800 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf1654130gyg.16 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-originating-ip:subject:from:to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=CnFCznzY6b7c63WkdrYP7q2JKIf1JwZSQnLPSeXqBHo=; b=N8OW0aE+2nlHfoAZ0IkVEPsNj8vfZbXDghaoP17SpwqeTy+BME/zK4B+ymmv/bj3nY nTL/rxBCncunXmtyiVUj0dCsGpm+nTw3lGmhuWuaW8ZSQlP8qaYmSuE2IsjVFZuJ8RIt iDB12r7gaXuhlmWdeZ8ZnFo4Dnm75lLt0jMT0= Received: by 10.236.161.165 with SMTP id w25mr1343473yhk.15.1320872367297; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.167.19 with SMTP id u19ls2291677ano.7.gmail; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.145.138 with SMTP id p10mr6208155yhj.3.1320872365403; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.236.145.138 with SMTP id p10mr6208153yhj.3.1320872365393; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from fagricipni.com (fagricipni.com. [69.5.18.101]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id u30si2043272yhu.7.2011.11.09.12.59.24; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:59:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com designates 69.5.18.101 as permitted sender) client-ip=69.5.18.101; Received: (qmail 1552 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2011 20:59:24 -0000 X-Originating-IP: [67.58.190.131] Subject: Re: [lojban] How to Say "is made of"? From: "H. Felton" To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: <1320583059.2268.1.camel@fagricipni-desktop> References: <1320583059.2268.1.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:58:48 -0500 Message-ID: <1320872328.2030.2.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.1 X-Original-Sender: lojban707@fagricipni.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of lojban707@fagricipni.com designates 69.5.18.101 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban707@fagricipni.com; domainkeys=pass header.From=lojban707@fagricipni.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / In some senses, I have been "out of circulation" for 10 to 15 years; so some things may have changed. 15 years ago, it was thought that "dark matter" made up at least 90% of the universe's mass; so I chose "slabu" over "fadni" in this case. I am also not including matter (trans)formed in expensive physics labs nor the nuclei/free electron plasma of active stars as "slabu" (familiar) matter to human beings. Thus, I *am* intending to say that all familiar matter is composed of atoms. Perhaps I should use a "lo'i" after all: "ro lo'i ro slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni". Regarding the question of using the second place of "marji", I have decided that that is not enough to cover the types of "made of" that I have in mind; "a line is made of (composed of) points" or "a Fraction Object is made of (composed of) two Integer Objects" -- a programming example --; neither of these is regarded as being made of *matter* at all, but both fall within the concept of "made of" or "composed of" as I believe it needs to be defined. "gunma" appears to be the best *gismu* for the job, though I wouldn't object to a lujvo being used for the job. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.