". And I can barely hear the difference. Though if I had to say which one my "x" sounds more similar to it would be the second one since it sounds more "h"y than the first one. Blech. Maybe later I'll record myself pronouncing it and lo jbocecmu can give me some feedback if they have the time? mi'e la .cribe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6d2616c27949c04b16724ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Ian Johnson=A0<blindbravado@gmail.com>=A0wrote:

I can say {citmle} without anything syllabic, as far as I can tell; is that= difficult for you? Note by the way that this is in contrast to a number of= pronunciation difficulties that I still have; my {x} is still quite weak, = for example, and can be hard to tell from my {k} in a number of positions i= n words. So somehow it seems like if I can say it, lots of people should be= able to? Or something?

I don't really like the sound, both for malgli and nalmalgli reason= s, of {cit-} in general, though. Put differently, {citmle} doesn't soun= d like what it means.

mu'o mi'e latros

Hmmm. =A0Your comment makes me a little n= ervous. =A0"x" has always been an annoying sound for me but I thi= nk I finally have it. =A0Based on the CLLs description and the fact that so= mewhere where it talks about lojbanizing names it suggests "x" as= a possible replacement for "h" made me feel pretty comfortable a= bout it.

But then I'll hear someone say "it's like the &= #39;ch' in the scottish 'loch'" and think "wait, I pr= onounce that like 'lock' and when I hear a scottish person say it i= t always sounds more like a 'k' to me". =A0Or for example I re= ad your message about how your "x" sometimes sounds like "k&= quot; and that makes me think even moreso "oh no.. my 'x' soun= ds more like an 'h' that's kind of flemmy or like I have a fish= bone in my throat or something.... where are these 'k's coming from= ".

Oh blech. =A0Then I listen to the audio here:=A0http://en.wikip= edia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative=A0and read how "It is not to be c= onfused with the=A0voiceless uvular fricative". =A0And I can barel= y hear the difference. =A0Though if I had to say which one my "x"= sounds more similar to it would be the second one since it sounds more &qu= ot;h"y than the first one.

= Blech. =A0Maybe later I'll reco= rd myself pronouncing it and lo jbocecmu can give me some feedback if they = have the time?

mi'e la .cribe.

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