Received: from mail-bw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:47057) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ROvV7-0007L8-Rt; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:07:01 -0800 Received: by bkat2 with SMTP id t2sf3534204bka.16 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=iWryZYt31Qm623N3FfNx5abEU2+1/fFs4bnTn53vjmk=; b=XEai16o2UK05wqtQ3DyYkXr8p5b+pfdFYU6yls7I5pOMvK8kkNOYZC6047k2EA/xgs Uk/bntCkdfsXCamb6palpSUnirVTI5SwkBoPNrCKdNBEp3lzOvqeY+r9mPTonX4GdsAp FUWH0cdoYs4X/ap6ICF3rkPlG3tZBEMgtSDcU= Received: by 10.204.152.142 with SMTP id g14mr1164304bkw.8.1321034803442; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:43 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.80.78 with SMTP id zt14ls11218714bkb.1.gmail; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr1683692bkw.2.1321034799419; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.154.136 with SMTP id o8mr1683690bkw.2.1321034799397; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f43.google.com (mail-fx0-f43.google.com [209.85.161.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3si6436091fad.2.2011.11.11.10.06.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.43; Received: by fabs1 with SMTP id s1so4111223fab.30 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.7.133 with SMTP id d5mr9411289bkd.64.1321034799082; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.41.68 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:06:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320872328.2030.2.camel@fagricipni-desktop> References: <1320583059.2268.1.camel@fagricipni-desktop> <1320872328.2030.2.camel@fagricipni-desktop> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:06:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] How to Say "is made of"? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151758a560ef6b3f04b179618f X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --00151758a560ef6b3f04b179618f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 se marji works for most cases of defining what something is made of. But if you are looking (as your latter examples) of stuff that are wholly comprised of components, and you don't want to use zilzba, you can aslo use mulselpau. --gejyspa On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, H. Felton wrote: > In some senses, I have been "out of circulation" for 10 to 15 > years; so some things may have changed. 15 years ago, it was > thought that "dark matter" made up at least 90% of the > universe's mass; so I chose "slabu" over "fadni" in this case. > I am also not including matter (trans)formed in expensive > physics labs nor the nuclei/free electron plasma of active > stars as "slabu" (familiar) matter to human beings. Thus, I > *am* intending to say that all familiar matter is composed of > atoms. Perhaps I should use a "lo'i" after all: "ro lo'i ro > slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni". > > Regarding the question of using the second place of "marji", > I have decided that that is not enough to cover the types of > "made of" that I have in mind; "a line is made of (composed of) > points" or "a Fraction Object is made of (composed of) two > Integer Objects" -- a programming example --; neither of these > is regarded as being made of *matter* at all, but both fall > within the concept of "made of" or "composed of" as I believe > it needs to be defined. "gunma" appears to be the best *gismu* > for the job, though I wouldn't object to a lujvo being used for > the job. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00151758a560ef6b3f04b179618f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=A0=A0 se marji works for most cases of defining what= something is made of.=A0 But if you are looking (as your latter examples) = of stuff that are wholly comprised of components, and you don't want=A0= to use zilzba, you can=A0aslo use=A0mulselpau.
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=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, H. Felton <lojban707@fagri= cipni.com> wrote:
In some senses, I have been &quo= t;out of circulation" for 10 to 15
years; so some things may have c= hanged. =A015 years ago, it was
thought that "dark matter" made up at least 90% of the
univers= e's mass; so I chose "slabu" over "fadni" in this c= ase.
I am also not including matter (trans)formed in expensive
physic= s labs nor the nuclei/free electron plasma of active
stars as "slabu" (familiar) matter to human beings. =A0Thus, I*am* intending to say that all familiar matter is composed of
atoms. = =A0Perhaps I should use a "lo'i" after all: "ro lo'i= ro
slabu marji ku gunma lo ratni".

Regardi= ng =A0the question of using the second place of "marji",
I hav= e decided that that is not enough to cover the types of
"made of&qu= ot; that I have in mind; "a line is made of (composed of)
points" or "a Fraction Object is made of (composed of) two
Int= eger Objects" -- a programming example --; neither of these
is rega= rded as being made of *matter* at all, but both fall
within the concept = of "made of" or "composed of" as I believe
it needs to be defined. =A0"gunma" appears to be the best *gismu*=
for the job, though I wouldn't object to a lujvo being used for
= the job.


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