Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:32958) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ROz64-0008NJ-Vx; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:26 -0800 Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27sf2478044wwf.16 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Yj32VB2ssP5TbAcsP2rKB28PRXUY+5lyJ61MuoQE6Q4=; b=RC9GQqQN2QUAEb/BDl9u0Mq1xtfcVjCIip6Eww7U7CTGTxKoVhddF4RKWuiZZj/c6i TZpKb6rdyXONu2+qugcBf3hhCvzB9e4Xf+76dYJZL1ksyDN95ua/FoRf7k3jugm0jJue 1CY8mWLqZ85DaNTfV4Ptn5ei+BBD80ymT+UNQ= Received: by 10.216.221.32 with SMTP id q32mr19040wep.14.1321048626025; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.40.199 with SMTP id f47ls270014eeb.3.canary; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.151.81 with SMTP id b17mr1812898bkw.3.1321048624264; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.151.81 with SMTP id b17mr1812896bkw.3.1321048624244; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-fx0-f53.google.com (mail-fx0-f53.google.com [209.85.161.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3si6686242fad.2.2011.11.11.13.57.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.53; Received: by mail-fx0-f53.google.com with SMTP id n15so5049274faa.26 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.102.148 with SMTP id fo20mr7794626lab.51.1321048624113; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.19.198 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20111105115950.GJ8607@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201111090819.17457.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20111109132326.GN19979@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:57:03 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] baby words, but general relevance: dai-like cmavo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > On the other hand, no one > mentioned se'i/se'inai, which I think IS the right way to describe the se= nse > that you are feeling something because someone else has experienced > something "oi se'inai" ("Ow!=A0 That fall you took hurt me") I've always interpreted "se'i" as indicating the orientation of the attitude. The only times I remember using it is in ".oi se'i", when I mean to complain to myself, not about something you or anyone else did, or something that just happened to me, but about something I did, a complaint directed at myself. The example in CLL is ".au se'i" (I want it for myself) and ".au se'i nai" (I want it for you, or presumably for someone else). mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.