Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:56720) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPB9Z-0002vR-5Z; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:52 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf2835740vws.16 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=QKzRYf+CEopz6w6nJrdu78FskeKhloBsw6CuZaHLqfQ=; b=OAbsL+/eqmdZ5pwaVYEZgJ4xlqT8NvstasilpTATj0RGQeLlN9z0SoNF/4QWJ3IoA7 o5G8VR6VOvw1Wd0oslRznVHySorGdGUM1+ZBVmMXeEIkrZA5L/tvAS0XiXj1nMRNHKWE ULTKa1OfGkdoPPIrwpBEmwiDm3Qx6pMS2EQsQ= Received: by 10.52.97.3 with SMTP id dw3mr684495vdb.16.1321094971511; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:31 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.152.75 with SMTP id f11ls6397656vcw.3.gmail; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:30 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.173.110 with SMTP id bj14mr2643857vdc.3.1321094970629; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by u5g2000vbd.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:30 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:49:30 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; sv-SE; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101206 Ubuntu/10.10 (maverick) Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] how universal are metaphors? From: jongausib To: lojban X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / I don't know, but I assume that the use of metaphors is very cultural dependent. gusni stedu for example is probable a swedishism, meaning a smart person (usually in a sarcastic sense). Probably not so obvious for non- swedish people. It would therefore be interesting to know if some kind of metaphors are more universal than others, so you could know more or less what kind of tanru is likely to be understood by lojbanists all over the world. I've heard that body-parts like head, legs, ear are widely used by different cultures to describe details of external objects. So do you think that metaphors like cup-type of ear, hammer-type of head, chair- type of leg, neck-type of clock (hourglass) makes sense in most cultures? In vlasisku you can see that many definitions of body-parts has an explicit metaphor part, for example stedu [metaphor: uppermost portion]. Does this mean that it's ok to make tanru/lujvo with stedu as a metaphorical part, like tricu stedu (=crown of tree)? /mu'o mi'e jongausib -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.