On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Sid <cntrational@gmail.c= om> wrote:

It's pronounced with your tongue in the back of your mouth like a [k] -- then you just blow air instead of releasing it all at once.
(Similar to the difference between [s] and [t].)

On 11 November 2011 02:16, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> ahhh good call. =A0I've spent quite a bit of time googling for an = english
> example of "x" but never could find one. =A0Ble'ch' = sounds like a pretty nice
> approximation.
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 3:26 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Assuming you pronounce the "ch" in "Blech" the= way I'm hearing it my head,
>> that's exactly how I pronounce {xy.}. (Which is also how I pro= nounce the
>> "ch" in Loch, BTW.)
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:20 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Ian
>>> Johnson=A0<blindb= ravado@gmail.com>=A0wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can say {citmle} without anything syllabic, as far as I = can tell; is
>>>> that difficult for you? Note by the way that this is in co= ntrast to a number
>>>> of pronunciation difficulties that I still have; my {x} is= still quite weak,
>>>> for example, and can be hard to tell from my {k} in a numb= er of positions in
>>>> words. So somehow it seems like if I can say it, lots of p= eople should be
>>>> able to? Or something?
>>>>
>>>> I don't really like the sound, both for malgli and nal= malgli reasons, of
>>>> {cit-} in general, though. Put differently, {citmle} doesn= 't sound like what
>>>> it means.
>>>>
>>>> mu'o mi'e latros
>>>
>>> Hmmm. =A0Your comment makes me a little nervous. =A0"x&qu= ot; has always been an
>>> annoying sound for me but I think I finally have it. =A0Based = on the CLLs
>>> description and the fact that somewhere where it talks about l= ojbanizing
>>> names it suggests "x" as a possible replacement for = "h" made me feel pretty
>>> comfortable about it.
>>> But then I'll hear someone say "it's like the = 9;ch' in the scottish
>>> 'loch'" and think "wait, I pronounce that li= ke 'lock' and when I hear a
>>> scottish person say it it always sounds more like a 'k'= ; to me". =A0Or for
>>> example I read your message about how your "x" somet= imes sounds like "k" and
>>> that makes me think even moreso "oh no.. my 'x' s= ounds more like an 'h'
>>> that's kind of flemmy or like I have a fishbone in my thro= at or
>>> something.... where are these 'k's coming from".<= br> >>> Oh blech. =A0Then I listen to the audio
>>> here:=A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar= _fricative=A0and read how
>>> "It is not to be confused with the=A0voiceless uvular fri= cative". =A0And I can
>>> barely hear the difference. =A0Though if I had to say which on= e my "x" sounds
>>> more similar to it would be the second one since it sounds mor= e "h"y than
>>> the first one.
>>> Blech. =A0Maybe later I'll record myself pronouncing it an= d lo jbocecmu can
>>> give me some feedback if they have the time?
>>>
>>> mi'e la .cribe.
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>>
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