Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]:51143) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPPFk-00087r-Hq; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:53:13 -0800 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf3215388vws.16 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:52:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=0HnAKzz1IlZ02mKcXRSA4nHW7WiTWlL8YBATFTuLm/s=; b=wnbm4LVXagULVoIhKACcRAVqgngvaJ7xJbtOv99bhaXnABUPIjRAQB8nV+8vUtei9m JG+ddxm12lBd2jrkd4CkZsdheQWs1x1ryzStuxQz6IbJ4EWM5FyqbPFDWt80XDfBVlCH KBshQ9FtppeRMv67TSyPh9ztWGw54zgNhoWfA= Received: by 10.52.94.13 with SMTP id cy13mr271610vdb.1.1321149170927; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:52:50 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.215.71 with SMTP id hd7ls6910195vcb.5.gmail; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.30.195 with SMTP id u3mr16115184vdh.3.1321149169954; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.30.195 with SMTP id u3mr16115183vdh.3.1321149169945; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com. [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bu17si8034533vdc.0.2011.11.12.17.52.48; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=dNAkaZlb c=1 sm=0 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:17 a=6ti_TD8eFm8A:10 a=J72s8wbxuJQA:10 a=v-e_UCCTQVEA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=49yXzTH778OYkEiH4OoA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=9o99xeNKNPYSmM5t9x5+TQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 75.176.118.168 Received: from [75.176.118.168] ([75.176.118.168:47843] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 09/AF-16605-FE22FBE4; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:52:48 +0000 Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77B0A2576D for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:52:45 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] pronunciation and "x" Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:52:37 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201111122052.40966.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Saturday 12 November 2011 13:16:16 Luke Bergen wrote: > ahhhhh that makes sense. So the "h"iness comes from the fact that it's a > continuous air-flow and the "k"ness comes from the fact that it's the bac= k > of your tongue. Fail the continuous flow and it sounds like a "k". Fail > to restrict the flow with the back of the tongue and it sounds like "h". > Does that sound about right? Sounds right to me. The sound occurs in Spanish (which doesn't distinguish = it=20 from [h]; both original "h" and "h" derived from "f" are silent), Russian= =20 (which has [h] as an allophone of /g/ so Russians go to the gospital), and= =20 Arabic (which distinguishes it from both /h/ and /=CF=87/). Hindi has=20 aspirated "k" instead, and I don't know about Chinese. By the way, "Blech" is German for "sheet metal". Recycle bins have a=20 compartment for Wei=C3=9Fblechdosen (tin cans). Pierre --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.