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Well, in America at least, "blech" is an expression of distaste.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Saturday 12 November 2011 13:16:16 Luke Bergen wrote:
> > ahhhhh that makes sense.  So the "h"iness comes from the fact that it's=
 a
> > continuous air-flow and the "k"ness comes from the fact that it's the
> back
> > of your tongue.  Fail the continuous flow and it sounds like a "k".  Fa=
il
> > to restrict the flow with the back of the tongue and it sounds like "h"=
.
> >  Does that sound about right?
>
> Sounds right to me. The sound occurs in Spanish (which doesn't distinguis=
h
> it
> from [h]; both original "h" and "h" derived from "f" are silent), Russian
> (which has [h] as an allophone of /g/ so Russians go to the gospital), an=
d
> Arabic (which distinguishes it from both /h/ and /=CF=87/). Hindi has
> aspirated "k" instead, and I don't know about Chinese.
>
> By the way, "Blech" is German for "sheet metal". Recycle bins have a
> compartment for Wei=C3=9Fblechdosen (tin cans).
>
> Pierre
> --
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Well, in America at least, &quot;blech&quot; is an expression of distaste.<=
br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Pierre A=
bbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.optus.nu">phma@phma.=
optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class=3D"im">On Saturday 12 November 2=
011 13:16:16 Luke Bergen wrote:<br>
&gt; ahhhhh that makes sense. =C2=A0So the &quot;h&quot;iness comes from th=
e fact that it&#39;s a<br>
&gt; continuous air-flow and the &quot;k&quot;ness comes from the fact that=
 it&#39;s the back<br>
&gt; of your tongue. =C2=A0Fail the continuous flow and it sounds like a &q=
uot;k&quot;. =C2=A0Fail<br>
&gt; to restrict the flow with the back of the tongue and it sounds like &q=
uot;h&quot;.<br>
&gt; =C2=A0Does that sound about right?<br>
<br>
</div>Sounds right to me. The sound occurs in Spanish (which doesn&#39;t di=
stinguish it<br>
from [h]; both original &quot;h&quot; and &quot;h&quot; derived from &quot;=
f&quot; are silent), Russian<br>
(which has [h] as an allophone of /g/ so Russians go to the gospital), and<=
br>
Arabic (which distinguishes it from both /h/ and /=CF=87/). Hindi has<br>
aspirated &quot;k&quot; instead, and I don&#39;t know about Chinese.<br>
<br>
By the way, &quot;Blech&quot; is German for &quot;sheet metal&quot;. Recycl=
e bins have a<br>
compartment for Wei=C3=9Fblechdosen (tin cans).<br>
<br>
Pierre<br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.l=
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