Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:34768) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RPSDq-0000I9-3g; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:03:23 -0800 Received: by qyk29 with SMTP id 29sf2329171qyk.16 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:03:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:user-agent:x-http-useragent :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VNMI+CGXF3GerWDsIuLzhl45Szu9GT6u/GT84G/A9Bk=; b=mnxd5GDRRqSKihRXeMbFWsXGBvJCnQGG+8kIWkjOWEcdYvhXcSYq8EInIIpBhwgu8/ MeHlLRwmrRQmH8Os9ee6X/3+9njG5likXrsZrtnObJDeyoF3t4i6PLFIQ4uLQdX/MXQB Z4FC+OVnAgrEyQV/atzK0aRcWaEjnLHZIbmh0= Received: by 10.229.64.221 with SMTP id f29mr178641qci.3.1321160584388; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:03:04 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.56.134 with SMTP id y6ls691835qcg.1.gmail; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.186.7 with SMTP id cq7mr6872403qab.4.1321160583705; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.76.145 with SMTP id c17msqak; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:18:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.198.2 with SMTP id em2mr1807259qab.15.1321107531708; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:18:51 -0800 (PST) Received: by n6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:18:51 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:18:51 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US) AppleWebKit/534.16 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/10.0.629.0 Safari/534.16,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <440e7f3a-ec47-452e-8a6d-c5edd7ed7d09@n6g2000vbg.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] on kau : some ideas From: "spermwhale.warrior" To: lojban X-Original-Sender: guerrier.cachalot@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / hello everyone I have some ideas to propose about the meaning of kau and its role. And if "kau" was a mean to split a regular logical unit in two on the plane purely semantic ? In french, to say "mi viska lo nu do krixa" we say "je t'entend crier". but to say that I hear any action or event you have been the cause, we can change the infinitive for another one. It implies in term of cognitive structure that I hear you, well indeed, but that what you have been involved in is something distinct from you, that in fact I do not hear you crying, but you involved in the process/fact/whatsoever of crying.Furthermore, the two of these elements is a 2-uple. Whereas with a relative proposition, I would not make this distinction. So "mi viska lo nu do kau krixa" is the exact equivalent of the french statement. But the distinction made by kau is purely metalinguistic, it has not to broke the logical structure of lojban. And it permits to imagine weird set containing anything inside metalinguistic brackets. [to the moderators: please me send the message back if my english isn't understandable] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.