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Subject: Re: [lojban] on kau : some ideas
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On Saturday 12 November 2011 09:18:51 spermwhale.warrior wrote:
> hello everyone
> I have some ideas to propose about the meaning of kau and its role.
> And if "kau" was a mean to split a regular logical unit in two on the
> plane purely semantic ?
> In french, to say "mi viska lo nu do krixa"
> we say "je t'entend crier".
> but to say that I hear any action or event you have been the cause,
> we can change the infinitive for another one.
> It implies in term of cognitive structure that I hear you, well
> indeed, but that what you have been involved in is something distinct
> from you, that in fact I do not hear you crying, but you involved in
> the process/fact/whatsoever of crying.Furthermore, the two of these
> elements is a 2-uple.
> Whereas with a relative proposition, I would not make this
> distinction.
> So "mi viska lo nu do kau krixa" is the exact equivalent of the french
> statement.
> But the distinction made by kau is purely metalinguistic, it has not
> to broke the logical structure of lojban. And it permits to imagine
> weird set containing anything inside metalinguistic brackets.

I'd translate "mi viska lo nu do kau krixa" as "c'est toi que je vois crier" 
or "je vois que c'est toi qui cries".

Pierre
-- 
sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera

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